Are You Addicted to Stress?

Dr. Joel Rosen: All right. Hello, everyone. And welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix podcast where our goal is, to tell the truth about adrenal fatigue to exhausted and burnt out adults so that they can get their energy back quickly. And I’m really excited to interview for a second time. Dr. Patrick Porter, we interviewed him back in July of 2018. And we had such a great interview, and I want to get caught up with what’s going on in the world of brain tap. But Dr. Patrick Porter, Ph.D. is the founder and chief brain tap officer at brain tap, which was created with a singular mission in mind, which is basically to better a billion brains. He’s the head of mine-based studies at Quantum University, and is a licensed trainer of NLP, and is the author of six books, books, including popular the popular thrive and overdrive, how to navigate your overloaded lifestyle. So Dr. Patrick, thank you so much for being here. Once again.


Dr. Patrick Porter: It’s great to be here. Thank you for having me.


Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah. Excellent. So I always like to start with your own health journey. You did talk about that last time. But why don’t you familiarize the listeners with why you got into wanting to help a billion brains and give us a little bit of background in your history?


Dr. Patrick Porter: Yeah, I like to tell people I was blessed to be the son of an alcoholic. And because of that, he wouldn’t get help. And what the main benefit was that he went and found out about meditation in tech, and specifically technology-driven meditation. So we use music, we use machines called GSR machines. And we didn’t have neurofeedback back then this is in the mid, mid-70s. So we had to use this machine that would measure our skin temperature, heart rate, different things like that. And so we started using those as kids. I mean, I remember the first session that I ever recorded was I was 12 years old. But I was held back in second grade. So I wasn’t considered of you toknow, very bright kid, I was a very artistic kid. But then what I found out was when I started shifting out what I like to call out of my survivor’s brain and into my thriving brain. Once I got into that thriving brain, I found out I was a pretty smart guy, I was an honor roll student got a scholarship and everything. And the only thing that I really switched was how I thought about my body and getting rid of stress. Stress was a killer for me. And I didn’t realize how being angry, upset, and how that was causing me to. I mean, I thought I was being angry at other people, but it was really causing me to have problems. And once I figured that out, basically, it’s been my life’s journey to share that with other people that and now I know that, hey, we can use our electrical system to do this, or we can use our biological system. Of course, you got to use them both. But so many people have misused their like the if you want to call it the sympathetic, parasympathetic drive, that their biology is really taking a toll. And actually, that’s kind of been your life mission now. So that’s what you’re talking about. So that’s how we come together, I think in doing that, and I think when once people reduce their stress load, and we’re not going to get rid of stress, it’s how everybody carries that stress that’s most important, and do we have good strategies physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, to get rid of that load, then we can manage it because I mean, think of a fighter pilot. I mean, they’re, they’re under stress, but they thrive on that stress. So whatever your life experiences, there are techniques or tools that we can help you with, not myself, all of them. But you know, part of them, we can be a solution. But we’re barely big on the thought trauma toxin model. And, you know, we’ve got to clear all those out. So we kind of fall into the helping with the trauma and the thought part of it.


Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, and that’s an awesome way to look at it. And also, I would say, the spin you took on it is an example of why you’ve been able to successfully overcome that childhood because a lot of people wouldn’t say they were blessed with that they were cursed with that. So as a young child, that was pretty enlightening. Well, you said that you, you realize that there are ways to think or control your brain. Can you give us a little elaboration on that at that young age? And what you know now?

Dr. Patrick Porter: Well, at that young age, what we learned about was the GSR machines, you’d actually put your hand on a cradle. And it was pulse analysis, really. So it was measuring your pulse rate. And there was an algorithm that would tell you if you were in a brain state called alpha, and so you’d set it for alpha or theta, you’d set it for a number, like, let’s say 10 cycles per second. And it would make a noise it could be and we used it. My dad used it really for sports. He tricked us, you know, it had me think of running track or playing football or whatever it was. And when I was in the middle of doing something, it would spike and go beep, beep, beep. But then as soon as you could calm down your mind around it, and focus on it that sound and then you get to a point where it didn’t make any noise. I still remember the day that it really hit me like a brick or the head as I was doing really well. I was in a room practicing no noise. I’m doing my deep meditation. My dad walked in And as he got closer, it was gonna beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep beep, you know because here’s somebody I had to perform for right, I was only 12 years old. So that I started using that I started seeing those triggers. So what are the triggers what causes you to stress out, as soon as you know those triggers, I like to tell people, you can take the remote control away, if you know what those triggers are, because most of us have given whether we watch the news or we watch, we get a bad phone call, we get a text message. It’s used to hijacking our biology, causing us to fall into this fight or flight kind of system that happens and a cascade of negative events starts from there. So that was one way, also breathing. I took I started getting into yogic breathing, which now I do a lot of Wim, Hof breathing, things like that because I think it’s really good. But breathing really does affect. We’ve seen it in our measurements at our lab, you know, we have four different kinds of devices to measure brainwaves, but we also have several devices to measure heart rate variability in breathwork is probably one of the fastest ways I mean, you can do in a matter of minutes or seconds. For some people, they can shift their physiology out of the stress state by because all negative states and people are really honest with themselves and think back, all negative states of consciousness, they’re not breathing, anger, fear for trying to breathe through your life, your next anger fit, or your next fear fit you. Once you start breathing, it goes away because those negative emotions are stuck states in our physiology tries to hold on to them. But with a simple couple of breaths, and of course, the right breaths. Your physiology can’t hold on to that chemical reaction that’s happening in the body.

Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, amazing stuff. And so you mentioned that you became aware of it, and many people are not aware of it, you had to actually have that feedback of the beeping of the machine. yet. When we get stressed, you would think that someone would be aware of that. So you mentioned last time in terms of the addictive process, and how we become addicted to these stressors or that sympathetic stress response. Can you give us a little insight in terms of how someone might be addicted? That doesn’t even realize that


Dr. Patrick Porter: right? Well, we’ve all been in an argument with somebody and we can see the person is angry, their faces read their veins are popping out. And you say, Why are you saying I’m not angry! You know, they, so they don’t even realize when they’re in it. But the reality is that our brain is a 100 billion neural bit processor. So think about it. Each one neuron, they say is more powerful than the Cray computer, which is the most powerful computer on Earth, we have 100 billion of them. So we have this very sophisticated computer. It’s always predicting our future, when somebody says they’re not prejudiced, it’s impossible to not be prejudiced. Because that’s what our brain does every day. It’s how do we train our brains to predict, so our brain is always predicting things. So and it gets used to certain things. Even if we don’t like them, it says, this is the way we are like, some people call it temperament, right? They go, oh, Joel has this temperament, or Patrick has this temperament. You know, the reality is that we’ve been trained into that. So that training becomes addictive in nature when we get away from it. One of the easiest ways I can tell people how they get addicted to this in physiology is just put your hands together if you’re in a place where you can do that, and see which thumbs on top and just roll the other thumb on top and notice what that feels like. You’re probably going to notice that feels a little weird. And that’s only your thumb. So imagine your whole physiology, when you’re used to certain things. That’s why people have to say things about buttons, that push my button that makes me angry when all I have to do is hear their voice and it triggers it. And this has to do with something that is that Skinner who created actually in Pavlov kind of talked about too when we talked about the ringing bell and the salivating dogs. What most people don’t know about that study is that it went on after the study was ended, they started to notice the dog started salivating when the guard would walk during the bill, then the guard when they stop feeding the dogs at that time at all, they still were salivating. Now even though we’re not dogs, obviously we’re humans, we have a biological nature 95% of what drives us is subconscious. It’s through our biology. 5% is our consciousness every day. I mean, we’ve got too much going on but in our biology to be worried about the 50,000 cells that need to change, how to digest the food we had for breakfast, you know all the different things how to convert oxygen into energy in the body, how to how to convert light through our Chroma forms, in creating ATP at the cellular level, you know, all these things are happening, literally, trillions of things that are all being handled by our subconscious. And so we’re only conscious of it when we become aware of it. Like if I said become aware of your right foot. Oh, now I’m aware of my right foot before that you probably weren’t because it wasn’t important. So we become addicted because of the brain. Another thing I like to another way that people can identify with this is if you’ve ever walked up to a door and opened it without really thinking about it. Then You should be able to answer this question, which way does a doorknob turn? does it turn right or left? In most people, they can’t think they have to think about it. But we don’t think about it when we’re doing it. It’s unconscious, right? We just got to do it. Doors open both ways. Right and left they always turn toward the hinges in somehow our subconscious knows that before we get there. So just like every other emotion, I mean, just think about we have positive emotions to please, we see a family member or friend we haven’t seen for a while. That’s why actually, during the shutdown is so bad. I mean, we’re not I mean, we get to see people through zoom, but we don’t get the biophoton effect, you know, we’re sharing energy, you know, in the room, you know, that happens. So we, we have this, we don’t have the same interaction, you know, but when we see somebody that we really love and appreciate, we haven’t seen for a while, the emotion just comes, we can’t stop it. I mean, some people will actually tear up and cry, because they, you know, so much emotion shows up. Our body is basically conditioned to do that, you know, unfortunately, too, you know, I was brought up Catholics. I’m not that’s not unfortunate. That was okay. But the, but they, the Benedictine monks said, If you give me a child to their seven, I’ll give you a Catholic for life. And the reason they said that’s a quote that’s out there on the internet, the reason is that any religion, right? No, and I’m not, I think everybody has to have a practice. So that’s not a bad thing. But I mean, they know that, hey, that’s you get conditioned at a young age. And then at about seven, or maybe even earlier, for some people, probably between six and nine years old, you stop taking in so much information, we still take it in. But we have much better filters. And Joe, most of you don’t know that there’s a filter even on what we hear where our ears bring in 25,000 pieces of information every second. But we typically only act on 40 of them or less. Because they’re not meaningful. But that doesn’t mean we’re not processing those other 25,000. We’re just not aware of them. Our eyes bring in 20,000 pieces, I mean, 2000 pieces of information. Again, we only act on about 50 to 40 of them. So we’re our brain is a great filtering system. And unfortunately, we trained it, and then we train it to get angry, we train it to get upset, we train it to get stressed. Some people are so addicted to stress, that they have a great night’s sleep. But before they even get out of bed. They start catastrophizing, you know, that’s visualizing, experiencing going over their head. And before they get out of bed, they’re all lathered up, and they’re all angry and upset. And they don’t even know why. It’s because it’s almost like a computer program that’s been booted up in the system.


Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, it’s amazing for people to have that aha moment. So if we could help them have that aha moment you mentioned for yourself, you have the ability to hear that sound. And be aware of it. What would be an obviously you talked about breathing, getting breathing going. But as we circle into the brain tap and what it does, before we get there, how does someone become aware that they’re addicted to the stress,


Dr. Patrick Porter: but I think the main thing is just like all high performers, all you think of Olympic athletes, or sportspeople or just high-performance, in general, they’re always reviewing what they did. So many people just they do it and they go, Well, that’s just, that’s just me, I’m sorry, I can’t, but you can go back. And you can, maybe you don’t have a film room and you have a series of I mean, I do recommend you get coaches. But let’s say that you have somebody who’s looking over helping you to make you accountable, but you can first be accountable to yourself, be honest with yourself. And one of the things I learned really early in my therapy career was about golfers in what they would do with golfers is they hit a bad shot, they would not leave that spot professional golfers Do not leave that spot to they visualize it three or more times perfectly, because they know the subconscious doesn’t know the difference between real or imagined. So when they leave that spot, they’re not carrying that negativity with them. You know, so many people carry that negativity. And this is I’m using golf as an example. But it could be from one communication to the next one encounter to the next. You know, the best golfers are able to isolate that, just like the best footballers. You know, if you’re a quarterback and you throw three interceptions in the first half like Tom Brady did, then come back and throw four touchdowns and win the Superbowl. I mean, that’s somebody who can compartmentalize in they assess, and they don’t think the past performance is an indicator of future performance. You know, a lot of people just say, well, that’s the way it is, we can interrupt that pattern, just by becoming aware of it. In fact, there’s something called the observer effect in quantum physics, and anything that we observe, we change. So just by becoming aware of it, that’s why I’m not a big believer in talk therapy, although my degrees in psychology, because a lot of times it just exacerbates the problem. They just get a better rehearsal. But if you can, that’s why when you bring it up now you got to do something with it. Don’t just talk about it. How would you do it differently? What would you say differently How would you experience it differently? Then how could you forgive that person? How could you become more grateful for the encounter? You know, there’s, if we can put little definitions around it, where we say, hey, life is a learning experience, how can we learn from what we’ve experienced and made our lives better. And I really like to tell people about, I mean, Buddhist said it 5000 years ago, when he said, he angers you conquers you, in now, medical science is proving that, because if we feel angry and upset about anyone, we know that it affects our physiology, right, it affects the way that our body responds, we start creating those same interleukins and brain chemicals that flow through the body that destroy our body. But if we, if we, we don’t have to, we can pray for them, love them, whatever. If we do that, and that’s why it says, look, pray for our enemies, it’s going to help you as an individual, you know, in maybe it’ll do something to them, who knows. But the reality is, you need to do it for yourself. And so I think the habit is to just start interrupting that pattern. rehearsing. You know, there’s not a television actor, the actress that gets on to a movie set, or TV show that doesn’t rehearse. But how many people get up every morning, doing the same thing, complain about it all day long, complain about it at night, and then go to sleep, never rehearsing what they’re going to do the next day, the biggest thing is to start rehearsing what you would prefer in life, not what you intend in life. So there’s, there’s a big difference there.


Dr. Joel Rosen:  Yeah, look, that’s awesome information, Patrick, because I find that you know, you’re getting into the world or have already been in the world of biohacking. And people want to take certain nutrients are happy on a specific diet, or understand their genetic component, or even take functional medicine, testing, which all the things that I do. But if they’re not addressing the day to day, moment to moment, second to second thought processes and understanding their triggers, and having outside eyes, help them identify those triggers are the reactions or, as you said, the pushing of the buttons, they’re never going to change that. And ultimately, as you said, if we’re processing so much information, visually auditorily tactile II in all different ways, and we’re already biased against those, and somewhat addicted to reinforce the same patterns, it becomes a never-ending vicious cycle of fi forwarding, which gives us a good segue into we talked about before we started the social experiment, where are the sorry, the social dilemma, where we have the engineering of the information that we’re given to even much more, filter it down and have it be more biased? And so maybe if for those that don’t know, or haven’t seen it, but I’m sure that they have the social dilemma, how that overlaps with how we become addicted to stress, and then we’ll come up with solutions and and and how to how to combat that.


Dr. Patrick Porter: Right. I think what, unfortunately, what they’ve done is there’s an algorithm, it’s not a person sitting there, like a lot of people think there’s a person sitting there doing that there’s no button, there’s no person doing this is all being done by artificial intelligence, which looks at an algorithm, which means when you like something, you prove something, you comment on something, all of that is giving weight and a measure. And so what they do is their whole job on these social platforms is to get you on there longer. So they can serve up something that you might buy, you know, and believe me, they’re always listening. I mean, I’ve been with my son, and we talked about garage door openers, and I don’t need a garage door opener he did. But then when I went back onto Amazon and other places, I started getting ads served up to me for garage door openers, and I didn’t, I didn’t type it in, I didn’t write it in, there was no reason for me to even look for it. I was just in a conversation with him. So they’re always you should just know that they’re always listening. And it’s not a person, there’s not a person listening. So you don’t have to worry about that there’s intelligence in serving up these algorithms. Now, you might wonder, I don’t care what I’m not political as much as I’m American. So I bought what’s best for America. So but depending upon what political slant you have, you’re going to get served up more than information. So you might be saying, Wow, don’t they know about this? No, they don’t. Because every talking head is telling you what you’ve already clicked said. Like, shared, commented on. So you’re only getting fed one way it used to be that we’d hear all the opinions, but everything is being skewed. Now, some of our mainstream media even without going from social media, now they’re skewing things to I mean, yeah, you have to pick your source, you know, who do you want to listen to? Because they’re like a thing called the Epoch Times. In the epic time, they’re not sponsored by big, big, big, big pharma or anybody and you get really news. It’s like an old newspaper, but they do it digitally, too. They give you both sides of the story. And the but what happens with social media is if you’re feeling angry and upset, unfortunately, they deliver you more anger and upset information. You know, if and I challenge anyone out there that thinks that they’re getting a lot of negativity on their social media, stop liking, stop sharing, stop watching that, go on to sites that about gratitude, love about health and healing, you’re going to find your whole information stream on social media will change. In about seven days, you’ll change the algorithm about yourself. Because if you don’t like who you are, it’s going to show up on social media. And unfortunately, it’s probably not what you want. Because you might be going there. Let’s say you go on there, and you look up how to suicidal thoughts, let’s just say, which is not a good thing to type into social media. Because now every drug company in the world now knows that in, Believe me, they own 50% or more of all the social media sites, in, Unfortunately, the Department of Justice owns probably the other 50% or close to it. So we have, we have all that. So now what they’re doing is they’re saying, Okay, let’s remove this ad, this ad, this ad is all about whatever you just typed in. So it’s not safe anymore. It’s not like, but again, it’s not a person doing this. It’s an algorithm and they’re doing it, I’ve had people actually tell me, I think it’s great, I don’t even have to think of what I want. I just go on social media. And it’s like, it’s reading my mind. It is it’s reading your clicks, likes approval, how much even know when you spend time on a site, how much time you’re spending watching a video, and it ranks all that everything you do. And if you haven’t watched the movie, I really encourage you to watch it early in the evening. So you can have at least two or three hours before sleep to do something more positive because it’ll lead you thinking, Oh, my God, Orson Welles was right, you know what’s going on, and they’re doing it really to drive their bottom line, they’re not doing it to ruin anybody’s specific life, they’re doing it to sell products, you know, to and to raise the value of their, their media, you know, so it’s, it’s a crazy world that we live in. And I think, you know, you can control that more than you think you can control it because it’s just an algorithm.


Dr. Joel Rosen: Right? I mean, awareness, again, is key in all of this. But it’s, it’s almost like the same things that you talked about before we even brought this up is, is being aware of your thoughts and being open to the half-full thought versus the half-empty thought, and not clicking on everything to really avoid that. Which, which is now we can get into when that’s not enough. So you amazingly, I can see the genesis of being a kid having the blessing of an alcoholic parent learning, biofeedback, and how stress impacts you. And as you mentioned, in our last talk, technology advances, so So let’s talk about frequency, and how we are frequency following response mechanism creatures, and how we can harness that to create coherence and a healthy brain. Right.


Dr. Patrick Porter: So first, for the listeners, everything in creation is vibrating. It has a frequency, our harmonics, when if you and I were in the same room, Dr. Joel, we would be resonating. And that’s why even in our Bible, it says when two or more gathered, there I am, because there’s another frequency, there’s another presence there. That’s why healing in persons, when people do hands-on healing, or that goes to their chiropractor, they get such different results. And it’s kind of hard to do those things without it.

So everything our lighter frequency, the sound we’re hearing is everything is a frequency. So our nervous system, let’s just use that for a moment 30% of our nervous systems in our body 70% in our brain so that 70% of our brain is actually interpreting the other 30% it’s bringing it in through our eyes, ears, smell, taste, touch. And everything in our biggest sensory organ is actually our skin. You know, they’ve done experiments where they’ve watched people watching people, and the person knows, they don’t know how they know. But they know when someone’s watching them. We’ve all had that experience, you know, we might be in a bookstore, something reading and look around, somebody’s staring, or something like that, you just know that’s happening. And that’s because there’s a frequency there. But we can use these frequencies to change our biology. So in our environment, there’s actually in Chinese medicine, they actually have something called Fung Shui, which is the flow of there’s a flow to everything. It’s really energy everything is energy, everything in I like to tell people we live in a quantum see. So this in this quantum see there’s a gap between when it becomes real and not real, you know, and there’s a depending upon your beliefs in quantum physics and all that is that nothing is real to her. They’re like the old story. If the tree falls in the forest doesn’t make a sound and the quantum physicists say what tree what forest because unless you’re there, it doesn’t exist, you know, so whatever.

Whatever your beliefs are in our mind, we know this is true these Things are as we believe they are, by the way, we perceive them and receive them. So our body is a receiver and a transmitter. In fact, one of the things I’ve learned since we talked two years ago was that communication in our body isn’t just through our nervous system, through our fascia, and through our dura, that wraps around our brain, they consider this like a fiber optic cable, in something called biophotons, are emitting at the level of our DNA every 40 seconds.


So that means we’re not when no metaphysical person says we’re light beings. Science has proven that’s to be fact. Now it’s not. It’s not a metaphysical concept, we are changing our epigenetics change every 40 seconds on all the trillions of brand new strands of DNA, that junk DNA that we were told about, it’s vibrating, it’s teeming with life, and it’s emitting every 40 seconds, it’s instructing through the dirt run through the fascia, it instructs it’s faster than our nervous system. It’s the speed of light, you know, so, of course, everything in the nervous system, some people would say also is light. So all this is happening. Now, it’s all interpreting reality, because also everything else is throwing off the light.


That’s why we can see it as something that is at the very nature of ourselves called Chroma forms. It actually thinks of it like a photoreceptor that takes in heat, the energy from the sun stores in our Tesla batteries and gives us energy, well, our cells do the same thing with light. So whatever color we are, when somebody says, hey, you’re white, green, yellow, pink, whatever purple, that color is actually the color you’re not, it’s not the color you are, your body is actually reflecting that color to the world, every other color your body is absorbing, you know, at that point. So in our, in our system, our body absorbs that as energy. So that’s one way we do it. So let’s say that we go to the ocean together, and we’re sitting by the ocean, our nervous system is going to adapt, it’s going to harmonize or become coherent with the ocean.


You know, now we could disrupt that by playing heavy metal music and all sorts of other things like Dr. Emoto. His work, I recommend people to The Secret Life of water, it’s awesome. They just did an I was just on a presentation with his research people because he passed away in India just last week. And they showed a picture of what the water molecule looks like when you say COVID 19. It looks like a demonic water crystal. If you put the COVID-19 on a bottle and you put in gratitude, it becomes this beautiful looking thing because gratitude wins over but if you put COVID in fear, it becomes even worse. So that’s what that’s what’s happening right now. COVID in fear, it’s not COVID in gratitude, COVID in health, so when we’re by the ocean, we’re resonating to a frequency our personal body is the ocean is resonating about 10-hertz frequency just happens to be alpha, our body then creates coherence with that, it then tells the brain Hey, wow, this is alpha. Alpha then instructs our chemical system or our biology to produce acetylcholine and a host of other things that make us feel good. Now, if you’re if you have adrenal fatigue, which is one of the things you’re a specialist in, then you’re probably gonna fall asleep. Because you can’t handle it. Because the only reason you’re alive is those stress hormones


. I mean, the only reason you’re functioning and your actual behaviors are helping you maybe you’re drinking a lot of coffee, teas, stimulants, whatever it is, those stimulants are just propping you up. It’s like There used to be a story that they would never sell a horse until it was in the stall for four days. Because they would always get the horses and go to markets caffeine, because they look better, you know, they’re, they’re standing up straight to do. But if you saw him after four days of no caffeine, what did they look like? You know, then you saw the real horse, you know not. So the same thing is true of people. But also so that happens with the ocean, but it also happens on a physiological level, we walk outside, it’s cold, we’ll shiver to ourselves up, if it’s hot will sweat. If we go to the mountains, for instance, where most people think they need to go to meditate like we see gurus meditating in the mountains.


The reason for that is those mountains actually have a resonant frequency as well. In our bodies, again will create coherence with its environment all the time. In that’s at a 7.8-hertz frequency that happens to be theta, where you’ll now produce the entire electrical system tells the biological system to create Gabba Gabba is what we need to sleep in when people aren’t sleeping. Well. It’s not what happens right before sleep although that’s important, you know, making sure the lights are turned down and you have a good environment to sleep good sleep hygiene. But it’s also about what did you do the whole rest of the day? You know, it’s not like you can just like these the statement you can’t supplement a bad diet. You know you have to eat You have to, you have to do is kind of a balance there, you can supplement a good diet and get great health. But you can’t supplement a bad diet and get good health.


The same thing is true with your life in general. So the science that they call it, they call it frequency following response, because they’ve noticed in nature, certain harmonics is going on. You know, even at the even redwoods, when they’re in Northern California, they found out if one tree has enough water, it will actually give water to the next tree. Now, how does it know that? You know, so and this happens in biological systems all the time. So our biological system, unfortunately, we’re bombarded with a lot of fears, these bodies haven’t really changed in the last hundred thousand years, right. And they’re designed to maybe have this stress effect happen maybe five times in a week. Now they’re saying the average person has these heavy-duty, high-level stress events encounters 10 times a day, in some people actually are encouraged like, they can’t go to sleep without watching the news. That’s probably the worst thing you can do. That’s an addiction. Now, if you want to watch the news, watch it earlier in the day, watch some things that calmed down your, your sympathetic system, so that you can get the parasympathetic going in, get into that rest and relax. Because most people think of it like just a light switch, you know, you can just turn it off and on. And then that can be true, but the reality is more like a gear shifter.

You know, and we have all these different gears, and really flow, let’s say a high performer who’s worked on their body, their mind, their spirit, all of these things, their body works more like an automatic transmission, where people who have a lot of stress it works more like an I mean, they work more like a standard transmission these people with stress because they get stuck in like second gear the third year. And even though they want to sleep, they can’t get out of that high gear they need to downshift, but they can’t get out of that system. So it’s all about flow. And getting the brain to move through these different brainwave states, your environment can play a big role, like even listening to music, there’s something called the Mozart Effect, which is what happens when we listen to classical Baroque music or some of this new-age kind of music that’s out there without drums, our body will literally sync to that in science shows that we’re actually smarter. When we listen to that music, we didn’t learn anything new. But what we do know we have access to because it harmonizes the hemispheres of the brain. And we know through our research if your brain is harmonized, which means the hemispheres are communicating across the corpus, the corpus callosum, that’s what makes short term memories, makes them long term memories and back, if you’re stressed out, there starts to become Miss firings that happen there that causes stress, anxiety, depression, all the negative things that we hear about with brain function.


Dr. Joel Rosen:  Yeah, no, lots of rich information there. In terms of the easy way to think about it as just as you mentioned, everything has a frequency and vibration. And if you’re stressed out that vibration is as you would think, very, very quick. And ultimately, we have that that may be good for the short term, but not long term. But we also need the ability to go through different frequencies for different healing mechanisms. So maybe talk about that with what you’ve invented. Patrick with the brain tap, and how that has such deep, impactful physiological effects from deep sleeping to detoxifying to rejuvenating. Let’s talk about that.

Dr. Patrick Porter: Right. One of the most recent things that happened that we didn’t even realize till we saw it on, somebody told us about it on social media was the W NBA started using brain tap during the COVID lockdown. And the main reason was that they needed a way to get them to get rid of their stress and recharge. And most of the sports teams that we work with, whether it be the sports Kansas City, which is the soccer league team, they put together a 20 station room with brain tap, because most people know how to go, go-go. But they don’t know how to slow down reach, reboot, recharge, rejuvenate what I call the healing brain, they need to get into that healing system. So what brain tap does use light, sound, and vibration, because that’s those are three of the main things you could use also, something olfactory like if you have good essential oils, things like that can trigger like Frankincense is a good one. You can also use certain things like certain tastes, but we use the main three the vibration, and we use those frequencies of the light side of vibration to slow down the brain. We start off at a frequency where we’re awake, which is called beta. We call that the reactionary mind. So we match that we train the brain first in our brain loves patterns, so it attracts to the pattern. And even though the conscious mind doesn’t know what the heck is going on, that part of us that’s interpreting all that data says hey, there’s something here I need to, for neuroplasticity to happen, which is what we need as we grow older, keep our brain functioning. It has to be a novel. It has to be something that can be repeated. So the brain is going Well, what is this? What is this? Like? What is this? What is this? Like? What is this sound? What is this frequency, it’s it’s basically evaluating it through something called the default mode network, or what we call the reticular activating system. So these systems are alive and operating all the time. So once we have our algorithm, it slows down the body, all these things slow down together at a certain pace. And depending upon what region of the brain we’re trying to relax, or what the exercises, every session is different. Because if you listen to the same one, even if you listen to the same one for seven straight days, it’s going to have a diminishing return. Because once the brain learns the pattern, this is a frightening fact that happens with mice. If one mouse anywhere in the world knows how to run a rodent knows how to run a maze, they can’t use that maze and any other lab in the world. You know that? that’s a crazy statistic. So what that means is somehow these mice have a group consciousness. The same thing is true with humans.


Dr. Joel Rosen: It’s like a little dwarf on Star Trek.


Dr. Patrick Porter: Yep. Yeah. Yeah. So think about what happened with the banner in the four-minute mile. You know, high schoolers run a sub-four-minute mile, you know, so these beliefs are out there. So we have these belief systems. Right now, unfortunately, our group consciousness is all in fear and stress and frustration. But I believe that just like lighting a room, it only takes one light bulb, doesn’t matter how dark the room is, you turn the light on, it’s going to fill the room. So we just need to get these people some information so they can turn on their own power. We fear, anxiety, lack of breathing, lack of movement. These are things that destroy our biology. And, unfortunately, they’re things they’re telling us we need to do like quarantine, don’t get out in the sun. don’t communicate with people. These are not healthy things. And even though the World Health Organization actually said that lockdowns are good, we should be doing them. It’s right on their website. Now. They said they made a mistake. They also said that only 6% of the deaths that they actually said are real, right on their website. It’s not something I’m making up, people go there and read it.

The mainstream news isn’t sharing that. Because they know that, you know, unfortunately, for most individuals, negative information gets more activity than positive information. You know, one of my favorite studies in marketing, was they an agency came out with a way to save 19% on your electric bill. So they sent out a mailer said, Hey, you can save 19% of your electric bill. Well, hardly any response. So a marketer came along, said, hey, let’s change that message, you’re yours, you’re wasting 19% of your money by not taking advantage of this one little tip. And they had over 57% of the people respond to that because it was negative. You know, so we need to shift our consciousness, we need to shift our capacity. And I think that has to do with like, the rats in the maze, you know, the or the mice in the maze is that, unfortunately, our news is primarily negative. We need to be celebrating the positive things that we do. That’s when my first company was called positive changes. You know, we need to get people to become, you know, celebrate the things, the victories that you have. sure you’re going to have some negative things, but there’s never been a better time to be alive than today. I mean, even though what we’re experiencing is kind of bad. You know, it’s really negative. But the reality is that, I mean, we all have a symphony in our pocket, think about it, we can play any piece of music we want. Just turn on our phone and do it. Some people will choose music that heals their body, some people will choose music that’s destroying their body. So we have that choice with all technology.


Dr. Joel Rosen:  Yeah, awesome stuff. I think as more people raise their frequency and energy levels, hope hopefully, I would imagine that the collective frequency will now be more favorable. But we have a long way to go on that. As far as the biohacking world and HRV. And being able to test someone’s pre before they would do the brain tap and test their post. Can you take us through how they increase their HRV, which is a marker of increased parasympathetic, rest and digest from the brain tap, and what changes in the HRV you’re seeing so that people have an idea of what is it actually doing?


Dr. Patrick Porter: Right. One of the studies we just did was we took 55, 65-year-old women pre-imposed one session with brain tap, and we showed a 23.7% improvement in neurological function. Now how this does this, your heart has 40,000 neuro cells called neutrino cells. This is a heartbreaker. So they now know that brain is what controls the show. Not the one between your ears. This brain is almost like this is the brains in this is like a drone. You know, it’s telling us the body what to do. So if you’re there, you probably heard the expression, if your heart’s not in it, you know, you’re not going to win it, you know, something like that. So this, this heart-brain is actually sending communications twice as much communication to our brain in our head, then down. Now, you also know about the HPA axis.


So you know, you’re talking about the gut-brain, there are more neuron connections in the gut than either of those. So in most of your neurotransmitters are made in the gut. So this triangle of activity, is what they’re really recording. So we can tell by your heart because every cell of your body is vibrating, every organ is vibrating, you actually have an energy signature, every person on earth does in every cell does so that we can send a low-level current through your body. That’s how all HR bees work anyway, but we send it through the body. And then from that resistance, because they know what it should be our body, the more resistance in the body, the more stress in the body, the less restriction in the body, that means are you hydrated hydration, it plays a big role in HRV. You know, if people are drinking half their body weight in ounces of water, it’ll show up, we’ll see that if they’re eating too many sugar-based foods or foods that are toxic, it’ll show up in their HRV. If they didn’t sleep well at night, it’ll show up in their HRV. These are some of the simplest things that happen. But what we can tell is because HIV can change with a thought, you know, we’ve all had the experience, unfortunately, we’re getting ready to go to bed, we get a text, and it’s not a good one. And then got to go to bed, but this negative text and then you see you go Nope, I got to go to bed, but you lay in bed tossing and turning because of the text or the email or whatever the news that we just heard. That’s because it can that’s our heart rate that’s changed our coherency they call it once we’re coherent. Now the people that are the healthiest are those that can take the that traumatic event. Oh, yeah, it’s traumatic, and they act on it, but then they can, they can go back to their healing state, they can switch between that, that sympathetic and parasympathetic, you know, in without all this, but when somebody gets stuck in it now, how did the listener know they’re stuck in it? If you have something negative happens in the morning, you’re still talking about it in the evening. You’re stuck, you know, you know, it’s, it’s I was like, you know, I’m sure that family members have probably told him to get over it. That happened 30 years ago, if you’re still talking about your parents, or the blame for where you’re at today, get over it. It’s your HRV it doesn’t have Freud was wrong, I’m going to tell you right now because your parents have nothing to do your parents weren’t trained. You know, there’s something called the blame game. And if people are using the blame game, then biology mirrors our thoughts. That’s the biggest thing. So but if we’re, if we have gratitude, I still remember in Hawaii one year, there was a guy that came over this is before doing any of our technology there, he was just so happy. And I said, Man, I want to get his HIV just to see, he would max out everything. He didn’t do any supplementation, anything he said, he said, just got back from a retreat in India with his guru. And he was just like, he was just bubbling with energy and but he was smiling all the people that smile. So what we know is that if you do something with the intended purpose, that it’s going to be healthy, it will show up. Because emotionally, we make different energy in motion. And we can measure it we can measure when you take supplements. Now some supplements take a little bit more time, because they have to metabolize, but there are certain supplements we’ve we’ve done that help with heart coherency, that there’s a lot of different ones out there. Right now, we use one called blood effects that they can use for exercise. But it helps with your heart and helps with blood flow is better than taking aspirin or something. If somebody’s doing it, you know, it’s a natural way of doing it. And then we’ve also found like PMF, which I know you’re probably familiar with this, this frequency, we love it. But it doesn’t respond well to HRV at the moment. But if you do their HRV, three hours afterward, it’s like exercise. So when you do if you do strenuous exercise, you’re going to see your heart, your heart rate variability is going to worsen because of exercise, but you’re stressing the body all growth happens through stress. So when somebody says I don’t want any stress in my life, I don’t want any, then they don’t want any growth in their life. Now, how do you manage that stress? It’s not the stress, it’s most important. It’s the recovery. So one of the things that we love to view on HRV is how well does somebody recover? If you’re not recovering? Well, then you’re probably overtraining if you’re a high performer, if you’re recovering well then your training is right.

A lot of times we’re working with Olympic athletes or pro athletes, they’re overtraining. And they need to take more time to recover more time to work on themselves in that way, then not doing enough. I mean, most high performers are overdoing it, you know, they’re pushing their body to the absolute limits.

Dr. Joel Rosen: How do you measure recovery on that?

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Well, you can tell you can do right afterward. What is there and then we do it like 30 minutes later and an hour later, and we can tell? Yes. Did they go back? After exercising, they go back to their biological norm, they should improve. Like with exercise, let’s say you get up and let’s just say the numbers 95 because you’re an Olympic athlete, you work out now it’s down to a 73. A half an hour later, it’s at 95. Again, Wow, that’s great. And then an hour a little bit after that, maybe it’s 100. Now, you know, their, their biology is working really well, because you should improve your, one of the best things you can do to improve your nervous system, as well as your brain, is exercise. That’s the only one that actually most people will agree, you know, in that has to do with moving and breathing and keeping the body healthy.

Dr. Joel Rosen: Awesome. So basically, you’re saying that your stress response, or your ability to get out of that sympathetic response for highly trained athletes, and even just the weekend warrior should get better? And if you’re not getting within that, that baseline that you measured prior to the activity? within what an hour Pat, Patrick, or is it closer to an hour? And if not, then they’re overtraining. And then you could utilize the brain tap? Would that be one of the ways as well that you would give them some abilities to improve?


Dr. Patrick Porter: Yes, yeah, one of the things we did a little study with Sporting Kansas City, which is the professional soccer team, is they started doing because they already did the recovery with the compression boots, you know, that you’d wear to push the blood out. So I said, While they’re doing that, let’s see how they respond with just that, or how they respond with brain tap, about a 30% improvement in recovery time when they use brain tap with it. And they’re using it for recovery. So the most professional athletes are doing something like that anyway. So just throw in the headset for 10 or 15 minutes or 20 minutes and in just accelerate them because the stress, and we’ve talked about this in the last podcast was the stress is brain stress. You know, the brain is adapting when you’re performing. Most athletes are performing high-level physics, like when they’re catching a football or throwing a baseball or batting or playing soccer. Those are they’re doing equations and moving their body at the same time.

That’s why when you see somebody who’s uncoordinated and you ask him to count in, in a walk at the same time, so people can’t do it or do the alphabet and walk at the same time. It’s amazing. That’s one test. If you’re listening, if you can’t do that, you’ve got some brain stress that needs to be worked on. And that’s where exercise comes in. Like people like do cross crawl or do all the like Feldon Christ or that kind of work to get the brain going. There’s a lot of egoscue there’s a lot of different methods to retraining the neurology.


Dr. Joel Rosen: Right, awesome, awesome stuff. So I recently went on an unattended sabbatical at the brain tap. But I got back into it. And so you have over 800 I would imagine over eight more than 800 now.


Dr. Patrick Porter: or we have over 1300 sessions now on the brain tap


Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, so I’m going to use your knowledge for my benefit here I can you suggest I haven’t been I’ve been through a lot but maybe some that’s not on my radar that I can tap into

Dr. Patrick Porter:  Well what you want to recover your meter.


Dr. Joel Rosen: Um, yeah, I’ve been through a lot of them the addiction series, the wealth series, the internet series, the health series, but I know there’s so many I’m missing something that I could get a lot of benefit from?


Dr. Patrick Porter: Well, one of the things that we always recommend is just doing different ones. So if you’re if you’re wanting to wake up, you know and do those things, then there’s the series called better like me, that’s a series about building a brainwave called SMR, which is more for distributed work, we, that’s the one we would encode for sports and athletes. But it’s more about life in general, that helps life in general, that’s one of the big ones if somebody is wanting to just improve their biological function and that kind of thing. They don’t really have any health issues or whatever, we have a Life Mastery series that people will use. That wouldn’t take it from challenging your risk zone. Like I said, you only get growth if you risk. You know, I love that that meme that shows your successes outside your comfort zones over here, you know, in people, we need to get people out of their comfort zone to do that. And it’s really about continuous use in you know, it’s like brushing your teeth you’ve got to do you have to have some kind of mindfulness practice in order to maintain health into old age. The reason that I like brain tap of course, not just that I invented it because I used it before I had the total writes to it, but it’s because we’re adding light to the equation.

Light is the most under-prescribed nutrient on Earth right now. Now I know you use lasers and things like that. So you’re using light in a lot of different ways. But there’s Also like panels, so we want to get light into the brain. So if you’re not doing it, you need to get outside, do some breathing, grounding, you know, doing some things. So the well we know what the brain tap is, it’s the number one line of defense for EMF poisoning like dan de bond, who wrote the book radiation nation. He even wrote in his book that the first line of defense is to get the brain tap. Because they’ve had such we use something called the lobby. I don’t know if you ever heard of that. It’s a brain scan device. It’s a really powerful device. And they, they put everything up in the cloud, so they can correlate it with other doctors. And they, they found that when they the doctors that were using brain tap with their brain recovery, we’re getting such massive improvements quickly, that we know we’re working more closely with them on a couple of other studies. But the reality is that just doing there’s not like, I wish there was a magic wand, but it’s more like symptom-specific. Like we just did a whole series with Jake pates who’s an Olympics snowboarder. It’s called chasing greatness. That might be a good one for you to listen to. Because it’s about it’s not about snowboarding, it’s about just changing your mindset. So you can go from just thinking you’re good enough to be Hey, I’m great. I can get to that next level, you know, in busting through a kind of like the thrive series with the Polian Hill, the wealth consciousness, one that we did,


Dr. Joel Rosen: yeah, they’re awesome stuff. They really are great stuff. So Well, I appreciate your time, I like to ask my guests, this is a new thing that I’ve thrown in. Patrick is with what you know, now, what would you have told the younger naive, Patrick, that he didn’t know then that would have made huge changes in your health or your thought process or your view on life? Or just something that you wish you would have known then what would that have been?


Dr. Patrick Porter: Stick with the slow and steady, positive results. Don’t always look for the breakthrough. So many people wait, too, they have a breakdown to have a breakthrough. And I think I was that way I was always looking for the next bio didn’t call it biohacking back then. But the next thing I mean, I was the kind of guy that back in the 70s drank Hoffman protein, which tastes like chalk. And I didn’t just drink it, I drink it three times a day 15 scoops with brewers yeast, which tasted terrible back then. Because I thought, you know because I was an athlete. So I wanted to have every advantage. But it probably could have got by with about half of that, because I didn’t know what that much protein would do to my system. You know, there was no, we have a lot of research now that we didn’t, but I think just doing something steady, find a practice, like find a mindfulness practice, do it every day, find and find a workout, do it every day. It’s not about just doing it once and try to do it so much. But I think that’s the one thing because I always I’m kind of the person that wants the reward and the big celebration after everything. And I’ve since calm that down even in my latest here during the COVID experience taking off 40 pounds was I just every day I said I’m not going to worry about doing a quick, I’m going to do my workouts every day, I’m going to eat the way that I know to eat. I’m going to there are no excuses. nobody’s taking me to the finest restaurants in their town like would happen if I was traveling, you know, some say we got to go to this place. And then, of course, you got to get this meal and eating late at night. I mean, I’m the type of person that I can’t eat late at night I got an if I can eat closest to dusk or before it’s best for me. That’s just what I found for myself.


Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, those are slow and steady wins the race. That’s awesome, lots of clinical pearls definitely throughout this entire podcast. So you did mention being able to share a 99 cent promotion for listeners to start to get their feet wet. So what exactly is that entail?


Dr. Patrick Porter: Well, with the 99 cent program, they actually get full access to our app, all the different sessions we were talking about, they can use them, they can actually use them on two different devices five times a day. So they can have a family member doing it, well, they can get the results. Now that’s just the sad part of it, but it’s still pretty powerful, can really get the results. Plus they can get a free copy of my book to thrive in overdrive. It’s a digital version, they can read it on their smartphone or their tablet, whether they do anything going forward after the night makes sense or not to get to keep the book so they can learn about how stress is affecting their biology, and what they can do about it. Because there’s a lot of different practices in there. It’s not just about the brain tap it’s about our life and how in this day and age, how we can thrive and overdrive how we can get our body to function in these times of high technology.


Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, well, you made that evident for the last hour in terms of how we look up stress and how we align ourselves with our thought processes and all the things that we do. But when you have the addition of Lightwave and vibration and frequency to sound to be able to harmonize the hemispheres of the brain and be able to go through different wavelengths, it’s just that much more powerful. So Thank you so much, Dr. Patrick, for being here today. And your continued mission for how far off are you now on a billion brains?


Dr. Patrick Porter: Well, we have, we have over 3 million people on the app. So we’re still it was a million. But when once we said we got to get bigger, so we’re still there. The nice thing is we’re now partners with five different universities in India. So India alone, we can do it. And we’ve partnered with a university even in China. So between those two, we could get a million just by throwing a rock in any direction. You got to get them. I just got to get them on. Yeah, but Brazil’s come online, we’re in South America. We’re in 120 different countries now. So it sounds growing. So we still need your help job. But thank you for having me on the call.


Dr. Joel Rosen: Well, thanks for being here. And I hope you have a continued rest of your year to be awesome. Even though we’ve had stressful times. you’re the type of person from the entire talk that looks at things for the opportunity of it and looking at it in terms of half full or even three quarters or four-fifths full, and it shows into where you are today. And I very well appreciate all the information you gave us today.


Dr. Patrick Porter: Okay, well, thank you.


Dr. Joel Rosen: Thank you.



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