Adrenal Fatigue Recovery From Addiction and Toxic Exposures

Dr. Joel: Alright, hello everyone. This is Dr. Joel Rosen. I call myself the adrenal fatigue recovery ninja. Although that’s changed. I think I’m more the burnout recovery ninja these days. And I am joined here with a colleague and a patient. And I guess we could say friends as well. with Matt Kaufman, Matt Kaufman is a health coach in Tampa, Florida after experiencing burnout from a toxic lifestyle filled with addiction, Matt got sober and discovered his health issues didn’t just stem from drugs and alcohol, he started to explore other healing modalities, which led him down the journey to redesign his daily life. And then now fast forward and he’s found himself through the love of diet, yoga, meditation, and biohacking to improve his health now, and Matt is on the road to recovery. And he’s here to guide others in their quest to be the most optimal optimized version of him or herself. So Matt, thank you so much for being the podcast today.

Matt Kaufman: Thank you, I’m grateful for the opportunity. Hopefully, I can connect with some people. Maybe ring a bell for a few people who are struggling as well.

Dr. Joel: Yeah, I mean, you know, it takes one to know one, right? So I suffered from my own challenges as well. And I follow you on social media and I see all the things that cool things that you’re doing. I know we worked together and did some interpretations for you. But why don’t you just give us a little bit of a background story about before you’ve discovered your healing journey, and what your symptom and or your lifestyle or your challenges were with your body?

Matt Coffman: Absolutely. So I’ll take it all the way back to childhood. Maybe I can connect with some people I know you have a lot of doctors on here. And that can seem like a far fetched reality to the average listener. someone like myself, who was a few years back didn’t know as much as I know now. I was born in Flint, Michigan. Father wasn’t around he was on drugs. My mother was a bartender she was out of the house most nights kind of being raised by my older cousins and older brothers and my aunt she was on drugs as well. So it’s kind of hectic being back there. As you can tell, diet nutrition lifestyle wasn’t on the forefront of anybody’s you know, we’re just basically trying to survive how do we get food on the plate and so with that came a lot of things. Very poor diet, lots and lots of sugar. So, sweets, my mom wasn’t even home a lot. So there was never like, Oh, you can have one brownie. I could just eat like five in a row if I wanted to. So I mean, to me, it seemed great. And it seemed like a free for all. And it was cool. But also it can lead to lots of different health issues that I had even growing up before the burnout. I had, like 12 different ear surgeries, lots of tubes. reconstructive eardrums always had infections, I don’t think there was a year that went by that I wasn’t on antibiotics, and knowing what I know now that’s just awful, you know, that’s what I would have an ear infection or my ear would be draining, and they would just try to throw me on antibiotics and one wouldn’t work and it put me on another antibiotic and then after a while I’m getting these reconstructive ear surgeries not really ever relating it to diet. At the same time, I’m having lots of dental issues, I have a mouthful of amalgam fillings, you know, that I didn’t know were any harmful at the time just going through the motions and my mom doing the best she could with no no medical or nutrition advice, just taking me to the doctor and following orders. And so then I went to college and was normal. I was always very active. I played a lot of sports. And then in college after the athletic lifestyle kind of led me to just school and my other free time was kind of filled with a party to lots of partying, lots of schooling, doing the average college kids stuff. After that, I had invested in medical marijuana, which a lot of my listeners may or may not know.

But yeah, I was invested in that it was relatively new in Michigan, it was cool. I enjoyed growing medical marijuana but with that came some a lot of money and a lot of financial freedom. But also I had these unresolved traumatic issues from being a kid you know,  not having a father-mother was gone a lot. She had an abusive childhood so she didn’t really say I love you a lot and we didn’t really get a lot of emotional connectivity from each other. But even though she was always at all my sporting events took care of me loved her to death but there was a lot that she didn’t know that she wasn’t you know fulfilling as a young child so from here I’m experimenting with opiates and Adderall and I already love to drink some drinking and I’m growing the medical marijuana so I’m smoking all day. You can just see after years of this these cycles and really just I used to be the person didn’t care about sleep. I mean, sleep is the last thing I was worried about. I just took Adderall or drinking coffee with two espressos. I mean, just all I was worried about was money instant gratification and thought that if I made enough money that somehow this void in me would be fulfilled, you know, maybe I proved to my father that he ran out on the wrong person, and I was determined to do something. And really all it did was cause more of the addiction issues to come out.

And then you probably know as people get drunker or the addiction, whirlwinds out of control, it doesn’t do anything, but make the emotional trauma worse, you know, you can be angry and go through lots of different cycles and not really know yourself and change your personality, and all through that. So there was a point where I was kind of just reaching my almost total burnout phase, and we were deciding to move to Florida, I was getting out of the medical marijuana, I was coming down here to just change my lifestyle, I had no idea what I was even going to do, I was like, I’ll just go back to serving tables. I did that in college, you know, if they make good money in Tampa, I’ll just go and I’ll figure it out.

And so I got down here and I’m doing lots of meditation and I’m doing yoga and I’m staying away from alcohol and some plant medicines you know, to really try to find myself and I realized that something even further must be going on as you know, I gave it time because you know, a lot of addictions 90 days 120 days six months let the brain you know recalibrate get back to this just normal emotional level. You know, physical level, let your sleep-wake cycles, trying to kind of regulate since you’ve been out partying real late for all of your life. And once that happened, I realized there’s even more something else is going on. Like I am just miserable still. And this, let’s see, what did it look like it looked like food intolerance, it looked like no energy, it looked like low libido. Lots and lots of brain fog. I mean, just confusion. I mean, just walk into rooms, I don’t even remember what you were going for what you were doing, I would listen to like whole podcasts like yours, or Ben Greenfield felt like when I was listening to it, I was inspired and all of this, you know, data was coming to me and then I’d get done with it.

I’m like, I don’t remember anything I just heard. And so you can see how this there’s the wear and tear on your, you know, you’re not being productive. And that’s really really hard on someone’s mental because with productivity comes a lot more joy and you feel fulfilled, you know, you feel like you actually got your to do list done. And this there was far from to do this, this was how do I even survive through the day? Like how do I make it to work and just get back in bed and hope that tomorrow is a different day and just started that be like Groundhog’s Day, and there was a point where I just said I have to reach out to a physician. I’m very thankful that I was already kind of starting to get into a lot of health things here.

So I didn’t go to a regular doctor, I didn’t do any like antidepressants, or the thyroid medication. So very blessed that I didn’t go that route because I know that would have been like, you know, their first protocol. And so I started with a functional health practitioner here. And we did a saliva cortisol test and blood work. You know, a lot of things look normal, but my cortisol was just flatline. I mean, you could tell right there, I had no energy and then add a little spike at night. So it was basically kind of reversed, which I know you see a lot and the adrenal fatigue. So their protocol, I think was a little outdated as well. I didn’t know as much then. So I just followed it. They put me on some adrenal supplements, which basically had big fillers in them and gave me a little energy for a little bit but didn’t work long term. had me on a somewhat of like a modified Mediterranean diet. I had rice and lentils, lean proteins, not a lot of fat, some fruits, a little bit of nut butter, things like that. And

from there, I just realized that even what they were doing was was off it wasn’t right.

So I just started to investigate more and more and more and that’s what led me to a path of like yours and you know, trying to Wendy Myers and different things. So just a lot of exploring for myself and then that’s been just evolving over the years. And so where I’m at right now.

Dr. Joel: Hey man, first and foremost, the first thing that comes to my mind is just the honesty and the humility and just the authenticity that comes across in that whole stroll down memory lane. And what I noticed is that’s a prerequisite for healing.

Because you were honest with yourself, right? I mean, hearing your words and hearing about what Listen, I mean, I, I don’t resent my, my childhood. You know it, my mom did the best she could. And I know like If ‘m being honest and looking back at it and objectively seeing like, I wasn’t living in the healthiest environment. And so I think that’s a prerequisite in terms of if people are listening to this, a lot of the times they’re in denial, or they’re confused as to why they are where they are.

Or they’re angered, or they feel may be justified and feeling that this is not fair. So I think that goes a long way and has to be said in terms of what you just revealed to me, Matt, in terms of your healing journey. Number one.

The other thing that I think is really important is when you decided, Okay, something’s got to change, I can’t keep up with this ruinous lifestyle, and you move to Tampa, and you started to meditate and adopt a healthy lifestyle, instead of getting better, you got worse, right? Instead of seeing things get better, you got worse. And that can be really daunting for someone who is fighting demons per se. And not to say you are but are living a life that is challenging. And they want to get on the straight narrow only to feel crappier and shittier, and then say, well, it’s not worth it, I’m just going to go back to my other way, at least I felt good at that point, even though it may not have been the healthiest but This feels this is terrible.

So I have to also, commend you and compliment you on sticking to it, and realizing Okay if I’m not getting better with adopting a healthier lifestyle, I got to look further deep in this because there’s been a toll on my body with a lot of clients that work with, you’re not going to get a better overnight, you realize that and all of the things that you did to break down the stress response body in the body has taken its toll. And it’s not just a matter of just starting to be healthy. Now you have to look into it. So you know, really good, you know, kudos to you for the honesty and the self-actualization, and the words that you use and, and understanding that you need to get professional help. And you know, again, even with the outdated model that you may have got implemented, even just the act of opening the first door, and then the second door and then the third door will lead you when the as you continue to make strides forward, you have a couple of steps backward. But you’re open to your you’re resourceful. you’re open to the drive of living better and healthier. So maybe a question I have for you is why do you think that was? Why did you have that desire to continue going forward in lieu of some of the setbacks that you are having? What was it that was driving you to get better?

Matt Coffman:  Um, for one it was, it was like, pure, I don’t want to make it sound dreamy. I just literally could barely get through my day, I felt so bad that I would have done anything to feel normal. I mean, anything that this journey has had me I’ve done thousands, I feel like coffee enemas. I mean, that’s something that people that’s taken a big step for a lot of people, they’re like, I’m, there’s no way I’m going for a coffee enema. I did it with no second guest. I said, this will help, I’ll do it. And it was that I mean, I was really, really attached to the vegan diet, you know, I got sucked in by some of the documentaries that were out at the time, I was living very unhealthy, I get into the yoga community and the meditation, I’m feeling spiritual. So I was really attached to the vegan diet and really listening to people like Chris Kresser. And some more sophisticated doctors are not even really like a doctor doc MD, but you know, he’s well researched and thinking like, man, maybe this is part of the problem as well. So when I started implementing some grass-fed beef back and different proteins back that really helped as well. And I think I just I kept telling my fiancé that I’ll be open to whatever I whatever information I take, and I’ll absorb it and I’ll think about it, and I’ll see does it resonate with me and I just felt so bad that I would have done anything you know, at the time for I don’t know people who are there are different levels of burnout and I was all the way just couldn’t do anything. Couldn’t even do yoga. Barely. So it was a matter of I just felt so crappy that I knew I had to. I had to do something to feel better. I mean, no way around it.

I just couldn’t remember anything, you know. And another part is I like to be driven and I’ve always liked working out, you know, I could squat like 600 pounds and at school, I was a big all state powerlifter football. And you know, I’ve always worked out even when I would party a lot, I would still go to the gym. And how ass-backward that sounds. But either way, I just wanted to be driven. And I felt like the only way to be successful is to feel optimized is to feel good every day. Like that’s the level where you want to be, you know, so I’m reading Aubrey Marcus is on the day, books that are really trying to from every step of the day to optimize you. And I’m just like, sometimes I’d be up for three hours and go back to bed. So I’m like, I am far from optimized, and I need to figure it out, or I just won’t ever be productive.

Dr. Joel: No, again, it’s the Honestly, I don’t think it’s ass-backward whatsoever. I was a big bodybuilder when I was younger. And I look back, it was completely ridiculous, right? I mean, it was great. I mean, I was obsessed naturally what led to me being burnt out. But when you look at like Mr. Olympia, and you got like guys that are on stage that is like three to 5% body fat and are taking so many things and their bodies, the least in terms of health as you know, as they’re representing that it is right. And really, at the end of the day, it’s about feeling healthy all around, it’s like looking healthy, feeling healthy being like being healthy. So that’s, you know, apparent in your desire to know like, hey, I want to I just feel so bad here. I want to actually commencer rate, you know, the feeling good with just optimizing my life. So again, like a good, it’s good, great lessons that you’re that you were getting here. So, then what was the next level then? So for you, um, let’s say you got put on a different path from the doc that you saw in Tampa. And now that you look back at it, you see that it might have been rudimentary or wasn’t as progressive as it needed to be. So what was the next level? Or the next thing that you did to take your health to the next level?

Matt Coffman: Yes, so I think number one would be getting off of the Mediterranean diet that they had, you know, and stabilizing blood sugar. I think that became more didn’t have to be ketosis. It can be you know, it was at the beginning, you know, it was like flatline my blood sugar all day, have some sweet potatoes or some form of slow-digesting carbs at night. And that seemed to do a pretty good trick and doing maybe not full intermittent fasting, but 12-14 hour some form of fasting to help the blood sugar as well.

And completely eliminating sugar. I already didn’t eat much sugar. After I quit the vegan diet, I realized how much like just bananas and stuff weren’t even affecting me. So I just, you know, they make you feel good instantly. So you’re thinking, I get this, I get this good rush. This is energy, but really don’t realize that you’ve all shiver, you had a little bit of power for a little bit, and then it just plummets.

So you’re at work and you’re like, now I felt worse than before I had the banana smoothie. So I started stabilizing blood sugar. And that was gone well for a while and still was just beyond a little bit off. And you know, what’s crazy is I’m so driven as I started my podcast during this period of where I’m just not even feeling that well, kind of having memory issues. And for some reason, I decided to put something else on my plate, you know, type a, you know, perfect storm. But as far as podcasting, it was like, it’s kind of easy. I can do it once a week. And here I’m making connections, you know, so even while I’m going through my health issues, I can start making connections.

So now I get connected with Ben Azadi. I know you’re familiar with his work. I’ve talked about this on my show before and kind of just like, you know when you have these people on the other end of the line and you guys Connect, it’s like, why not? Throw a bone out there and see, see what his idea of it is? We got to talking about adrenal fatigue. And he said a lot of times, you know, they’re not looking upstream. You know, Doctor Pompa’s work, they’re looking downstream. So, you need to start focusing on heavy metals, you know, do you have any, like, I still had a couple of them until amalgams, and my mouth got checked for cavitation I got had four cavitations, that sucked to get removed, but I did that and then coming across you and really dialing in my genetics. Those were the heavy metal focus and the genetics were probably the biggest two leaps out of all of it though.

Dr. Joel; Okay, so I think it’s a good progression for the person that’s listening to this. In terms of okay like you start when the student is ready to the teacher will appear. Right. So you did the first level and then the next level and the next level. And I think it’s really key at any level is getting stable on that glucose. It’s interesting that the Mediterranean diet, which typically can be helpful, why do you feel, Matt that it wasn’t helpful for you?

Matt Coffman: Well, specifically the Mediterranean diet, he had me on the head. I was eating rice every day at lunch, and you know, you can bother from the heavy metals or adrenal fatigue, whichever one you would know more than me. I just wasn’t digesting those very well. He had the goat cheese twice a day, I don’t think that I was doing well with that, at least at the time. Like I’ve had goat cheese sense and don’t and don’t feel as bad but just there was something about it, where the carbs were just either spiking the glucose too much, or I just wasn’t digesting them. Well, there was a period where I ate like I had a meal with me in the car and I ate it because my fiancee, we’re running errands. And literally, I just like sat in the car and was like dying, like my stomach was on fire. I pretty much like just laid in the car where she ran errands. So I think that basically, it comes down to just like when you ask some heavy metal toxicity, you have adrenal fatigue, you have some issues with different food categories.

Dr. Joel: Yeah, I mean, I think about it. Now as you talk about it, there’s always different adaptations of what you think and diet is. The patient thinking diet is like, I know, I talked to Benny and some people will say, well, I’ve done a ketogenic diet, only to find out that they were way high on their carbs, or they’re exceeding their protein threshold. And they were, you know, cutting their nose off to spite their face, they were sort of you can’t, you can’t half-assed it, right, you can’t like be dabbling in a diet that requires, in order to get the therapeutic benefit from it, you can’t be doing the opposite of what it’s intending to do.

And in that in the Mediterranean diet, sounds like potentially with the rice. For some people, if they do a sorry, what we call a baseline test, where they test their glucose before the rice, and then they test it one hour, two hours, three hours later. For some people, they may find that their glycemic control is okay. And after two hours, they’re below 100. Other people they may find with that particular food or starch or glycemic load, they keep going up really high like a roller coaster. And it may take a longer time to come down. Plus you put on top of that you’re eating higher fats as well. And hi carbs, high fats, not a good way to go for people that are burnt out. Right. So I’m guessing that was probably what happens.

Matt Coffman: Yeah, and so what the Mediterranean diet I was on wasn’t high fat, though, he only had a little bit of fat in there. So it was normal. I think I may have done better with like low carb, high-fat Mediterranean style keto diet if I would have tried it. But I kind of just went right over to the more like paleo approach, where I just kind of had really low carbs all through the day. And then I had sweet potatoes at night. And because I was really trying to help the sleep out and focus on that, with the flow of digesting carbs in the evening.

Dr. Joel: Yeah, well, I think the whole improvement or the next genesis of your aha is where I need to control my glucose, right? And I need to figure out what’s my best way of doing that. And especially if you’re layering in an intermittent fast or time-restricted eating window, I don’t think there’s never a time where all of us can benefit from that.

And then, as you said, understanding some of the root causes that would drive up your inflammation, like heavy metal amalgams, though, and infections or any other challenges, at be genetical, doesn’t matter how good your diet is, at some point, you got to address those things that are in your body. Right? You got to do that. So I know when we started, when you reached out to me, you were looking at I believe it was the amalgam stuff and you wanted to know, like, based on my genetics, how do I best support my dealing with the dump or the concern when I get these amalgams pulled, so maybe tell us what you’ve learned, in terms of your genetic components, and how that changed your protocols or your approaches?

Matt Coffman: Yes, I really didn’t know much about genetics, even when we started I’ve done a lot more research. Definitely no specialist, but I’ve looked into like things that you’ve given me and what would that mean, what would that look like to my genetics at least? So I wouldn’t be able to read anyone else’s, but I’ve kind of just dialed in on mine.

You know, I’ve done actually found my fitness as well. I’ve done Rhonda Patrick and uploaded it to there and you see you have you know, phosphatidylcholine,  so you have me on the fastest you choline in different things for the liver to help me with the detox and the process of going through all of that. And then also, I’m not exactly sure, but you have me on the DAO, which clearly must mean that I have some issues with the with histamine. So I’ve played around with lowering and hiring histamines recently, actually, I kind of did the carnivore diet for a while, so I didn’t have to worry about it.

But then when I added some back in, I kind of felt off and fatigue. So I’ve been lowering those again lately and realizing that and how much that you know, foods that I thought were great, you know, sauerkraut, you know, things that you just realized you don’t realize any sardines, I love sardines. But I might need to take that DAO before I eat those sardines to kind of combat the histamine issues going on there. Or I’m not going to feel so well, either and a half-hour later, and then all while clearly doing the I was doing the true cellular detox through Dr. Pompa, which I know you’re certified in as well. So I’m taking the Cyto detox and the binders and on top of the genetic stuff, and I’m, I’m two different people since before and after starting that and I might still have some more to do I just sent in for another hair mineral analysis test. So that should be back in like a week or two. I just did the Wendy Myers I know she did. You had her on the show. So waiting on test results from that there to see if I need to keep pulling and North not just focus more on the genetics. And just working with it. I even have an Infrared Sauna that I bought from Therasage, and I put the ozone modulator in there. And that’s been probably the biggest help out of all of this. So far, as far as like my energy and mental clarity. Like, I’ve only had it for a month and a half. And that’s probably been the biggest benefit, honestly.

Dr. Joel: Yeah, that’s cool, that’s where I wanted to maybe, you know, when I reached out to you say, hey, I want to interview you, that’s kind of the concept that I wanted to touch upon. And I’m glad we’ve gone through like your sort of your timeline and figuring out where we are now. So which is really great. So a lot of people that will listen to this and your podcast as well, are on the same similar paths, they were dealing with major health issues, they may or may not have gone the traditional route, but it didn’t work, they may have started to go the alternative route, and it only took them so far. And then they start to do their own research and they come up with quote-unquote bio hacks, and or things that they can do to increase their energy levels, or, you know, their metabolic flexibility. So why don’t you tell us a little bit? Well, again, just maybe elaborate on the Therassage and what the Ozonator is, what that does, and then go into some of the other hacks I know you do the hypothermia or the or the hormesis with the cold water. So let’s kind of go through what you’re doing now that you’ve discovered on your own.

Matt Coffman: Yes, so many people have probably heard of infrared benefits, it can get confusing. If you haven’t done the research, there’s a near-infrared method, mid-infrared, far-infrared, there’s red light, photobiomodulation. And then just those words, right there alone is enough to give someone a headache. But they are very therapeutic. And Robbie that you’ve had on the show and I’ve had on the show as well makes a really great, affordable sauna. So sometimes like you know, Ben Greenfield and the people, they have five to $6000 $7,000 saunas, and then you have to get those installed. And there’s a lot that goes into that. But Robbie over at Therassage makes a really great portable, an affordable sauna that is full spectrum. So as all three, the mid near and far-infrared. And then if you get the Thera size 360 Plus, he even has red light panels on the front. So you’re getting like the photobiomodulation. And you’re getting Infrared Sauna with the detox. And all of that is just really really, you know, cleaning everything out from household chemicals to you know, pollutants you get when you’re at work or just in the environment, or what you eat, and then heavy metals as well. So it can take time to get all those things Wendy Myers tell you to take 135 years depending on how well your detox capabilities are and how bad your toxicity is. But just in the short month and a half that I’ve been, I’ve used it daily, it’s pretty much a non-negotiable at this point.

It has made me feel better than pretty much anything that I’ve gotten, I have more energy, brain fog has slowly gone away and just feeling better feel like I can have better conversations better recall, I can read again a lot better. You know, for a while there, it was hard to read and remember things like my brain would just jump everywhere. And also there are ozone modulators that he makes as well. So basically, it’s not medical grade ozone but it is ozone. It’s like a portable pain. But you can take on airplanes, you can use it to just kind of clean the air in your room, it’s like a breathable form of ozone, he basically turns the oxygen in the sauna into a one, instead of it being o two, and then when it connects as o one to the O two, then you have the ozone. And you breathe that in through your skin, which is also going to help with viruses, you know, different pathogens, bacteria, and it’ll help also to detox heavy metals even further than what the infrareds doing as well. So it’s kind of like a little bio-hack stack that only costs like another hundred and 50 bucks. So it’s like, if you’re going to spend 1100 on the sauna, why not enhance it for 150? It’s not like it’s, you’re already spent making a big purchase, you’re not really breaking the bank with another 150. And if you’re going to use it every day, why not get the ozone benefits made might not be as big as a benefit, as you know, using medical grade ozone, but that small dose each day, I really think it makes a major difference there. And as far as the cold. That one’s a brutal beast that I don’t know if you ever fall in love with. I did the kind of Luke story And there’s an article on Ben Greenfield page, if anyone wants to look it up, you can just google Ben Greenfield Luke’s story like freezer hack or something like that, and it’ll pop right up.

And basically, I bought a used freezer for 150 bucks offline, they delivered it right to me. And then you just put like a grounding rod in there, you don’t have to do that if you don’t want to, but water is usually grounded in nature. So just a little added benefit, put a grounding rod in there. And then you put the freezer on a timer. And so you know, for you leave it on for like 72 hours at the beginning. So it gets down to 30-40-50 degrees, wherever you’re filling it up with water first, right, so you’ve filled up with water, as you know, just so you could fit in there. So you’re gonna need a decent-sized freezer as well, you know, maybe 15 feet to 19 feet, 19 feet would probably be able to fit two people in there. I think mine is 15 and I fit in there fine. And I’m six feet so. And you know, after that you just set it on a timer, and then it just runs for like two or four hours a day. So it keeps the water cold. And you hop in and then there’s just a million you know, if anyone’s familiar with Dr. JACK Krauss or anybody else who’s doing the cold thermogenesis, there’s plenty of benefits from cognition to that’s actually another form of detox is why I grabbed it because there’s like the cryo lipolysis that happens.

So you’re getting detox from the sauna, and I’m helping my lymphatic and my life policy is out when I’m in there as well. And boosting my metabolism. And those two things have really brought me the greatest amount of energy that I’ve had in years.

Dr. Joel: I was telling you before we started, I’ve been listening to Ben Greenfield’s book, and found this great book, 40 hours, 40 hours on Audible. It’s fo the hardcopy, and it’s just so big. I can imagine. I’m on 36. And like, I feel like I’ve been listening to it all year, but it’s a great book. And, then he did talk about that. And then I remember seeing a post or something that you wrote, and like,

Oh, I gotta ask him about that. But what for a lot of the clients that I work with, and I wouldn’t have said you did, you would have done this when you felt so bad, Matt, that you just had to feel better to jump into you know, into a freezer full of cold water because that’s gonna overstressed your body, you have to do a lot of work to get there in the first place. And I’m sure that just kind of goes without saying, like, you always see those shows, do not try this at home as like, Oh, yeah, well, no shit.

Like, I’m not gonna try that at home. Like, I’m not gonna jump over a car going 90 miles an hour, like, so you don’t have to think about that. But what ultimately happens is when I, when I tell people, they have an adrenal based problem, I tell them that they’ve lost the ability to maintain homeostasis at the fundamental level.

So if it’s hot out, you can’t cool down effectively. If it’s cold, you can’t warm up. You can’t increase your blood pressure. When you stand up, you feel lightheaded? When a stressor happens, it overwhelms you. So you feel that heart rate and that panic and bottom line and getting into that freezer, is going to really be that proverbial straw that drains are already drained stress response bank account, that wouldn’t be a good idea. But pretty cool in terms of once you start to get your blood sugar stable, and you’re doing all the right things like you’re talking about in terms of your time-restricted eating windows and you’re detoxing in the infrared. And you’re layering that on to the next level. So those are all really cool things. So where are you now like in terms of What tell us a little bit about what you do tell us about your own podcast and what your mission now in life is?

Matt Coffman: Yeah, so now I’m just transferring, I think as I keep getting healthier, I’m still right there. We’re, like I said, before the podcast, I’ll even display this to everyone else, I’m not fully healed, it’s been a couple of years. And I think that there’s still an underlying issue, I think I’m gonna maybe get some more blood tests or do some other little work here soon, and see exactly what’s going on.

But I feel like I might be good at 85%, you know, I can get through my day stuff, I have some time for I’m really tired still. So I’m going to figure that out. But you know, I’m just on the path, just know that you have to just keep going and keep going. And there will be something that at some point where you’ll get enough of the metals out, or you’ll do something where you start to feel really good. And so I’m gearing up towards I think I’m going to do my FDN program probably started in a couple of months thing will start in that either in the summer, this fall, get that out of the way, also doing up, I mean, my personal training thing right now is going to lay or maybe I don’t. it was just something that kind of struck me.

So maybe I’ll do a little bit of personal training here. And they’re with the weights and then more focus on like health genetics and multi-therapy there and focused on addictions, you know, I think I really want to I’m in touch with some great doctors who do work with addictions. And I think I’m going to try to have them mentor me on how to really get into that space a little bit more just because I’ve been through it. And I think I could connect and let people know, you know, try to help them out in that way. So really just trying to be somewhat of like a functional health practitioner, but it’s really a health coach, but it’s kind of a lot more than a health coach somewhere in that space.

Dr. Joel: Yeah, I mean, again, another lesson to be learned in terms of honesty, like you’re not, you know, you’re not at 100%. So you’re not fooling yourself. And I don’t think people do fool themselves by saying, Yeah, I’m 100%. But they also may not be looking in the mirror and over-stressing their body when they aren’t being in the reality of where their body is. So that’s important. And the other lesson in that is not being in blame mode or being more looking in the rearview mirror than you are in the front, you know, looking out the front, because a lot of people that I work with, they will say what’s not working, this isn’t working, that’s not working, it’s not working. And you’ve come a long way. And when you describe I’m still not there, I think there’s gratitude in terms of how far you’ve come, which is, which is really great. So the lots of lessons and all the things that you’re teaching, as far as what tells us a little bit about your podcast and how people can get get in touch with you or hear more about what you do.

Matt Coffman: Yeah, so my podcast is integrative thoughts. I have people such as Dr. Joe and other functional practitioners on there, I also have my wife on their other friends talking about their diet experience, kind of like the blended people been on there talking about astrology, psychedelics, I mean, it’s really kind of like spiritual yoga meditation, but I also am really focused on my health. So I talk to a lot of people such as yourself, and really get into the science sometimes. So it is a, it’s kind of all over the place. But people tend to enjoy that. And they might not connect with that episode about adrenal fatigue, but they’ll connect with the one about yoga. So I kind of is all over the place. And just using that as a way to learn and keep learning and then connections. And also, for people that I might coach, they might, you know, that little extra level of trust, if they see that you really are taking the time and you’re learning, and then they feel like they can trust you a little bit more with their health.

Dr. Joel: I mean, it’s another missing ingredient in a lot of doctor’s prescriptions, holistic doctors alike, in terms of Hey, we got to get you locked into an anchor to a mission and a passion.

And that has come through and what we’re talking about with you today, Matt, in terms of the mission and passion to get yourself better.

And then the mission and passion have the learning curve to help other people and when that in advancing your education and the things you bring out into the world.

And that’s important in your healing because you’re again, it’s like a lighthouse, the example I always use this like a lighthouse, in the middle of an ocean where a ship doesn’t know where its moorings are and where it’s supposed to go and where it’s not everything looks the same. But you have a lighthouse to anchor into. Now you know which direction you need to go and how you’re getting closer or further. If you don’t have a mission, you don’t have a lighthouse. So I think that’s really key. The last thing I always like to ask my guests is, is the same similar question in terms of knowing what you know now, and what you didn’t know then? What would you tell young men That would have probably been the most important in terms of getting healthy that now that you know that probably to not go vegan.

Matt Coffman: To be honest, that was, it really, really helped me, it helped me identify with the food supply, the food chain, the environmental impacts of what’s on my plate, how that’s affecting different areas of the world. And all of that, which was really, really great. But as far as my health went, I had gas and bloating, I just wasn’t digesting all of these plant fibers and wheat proteins and soy protein, I just, you know, I had the most terrible gas, I could clear out a room if you know, I’d be, you know, scared even let it go. And it was crazy, my digestion was wrecked, and I was even more fatigued and more tired. And that might even lead to the ultimate burnout in itself. And nothing against a plant-based diet. I think it can be constructed Well, for some people. If you’re really focused on supplementation and you know, different amino acids, you might be missing key nutrients and creatine. But for me, I think that really, really sticking to that plant-based diet and being dogmatic about it and being almost religious about it really had me hold on to the diet longer than need be.

And that really just took a toll on my body as I am just because I did it for about a year and a half. So I probably should have given it up long before that. But I think that really wrecked me and really destroyed my digestion. So not only was I working towards getting my energy back, I had to work towards really recovering my stomach and my digestion.

Dr. Joel: I think that’s really key in terms of it has to be done, right? Because there are essential amino acids, it’s not to say you didn’t do it, right. But if you’re not getting the essential amino acids in the combinations of plant-based proteins, then you need there’s called essential for a reason you need them to be able to do cellular functions.

The other thing it makes me think about is like the other day, I had a client that I was having a really tough time with and still am. And he told me like the only thing that’s really ever made a difference for him based on all the supplements that he’s taken his coffee, and he gets more energized, you know, and he wrecked himself with all the years of coffee drinking that I think there’s been a major challenge with that. But as the practitioner, I think it’s really important to know like, okay, that does tell me about your dopamine and your catecholamine pathways. Let’s relate that back to your genetics.

And I would say like going forward with you, the clinical nugget would be if you were to work with me or anyone else, you know, that would be like, hey, let’s dig into your genetics. And let’s dig into your epigenetics and figure out why going plant-based would have been so problematic for you. And I’d be thinking about methionine makes SamE, and how SAMe clears out your neurotransmitters. And so it would make me think like, let’s use that piece of the puzzle to figure out why so that we can now make the one or two degrees of changes to be able to make that 98% improvement. So hey, man, listen, Matt. I’m really glad and impressed with your story. Thank you so much for being here. Again, one more time word, what’s the name of your podcast so that listeners can go check you out?

Matt Coffman: Yeah, so thank you very much. And the podcast

is integrative thoughts. You can find that anywhere you pretty much fine podcast. Also, I’m on Instagram and Twitter at integrative Matt or Facebook’s just the regular name, Matt Coffman. So still in the works on the website and all of that. So that’ll be later this year.

Dr. Joel: Awesome. Well, listen, man, I appreciate your time and giving me your time for today. And I look forward to hearing your next level of health when you’re at 100% and what the differences were to get there. And I appreciate all the knowledge and insights you share today. So thank you so much. Thank you very much for having me on the show. Thank you. Awesome.

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