Adrenal Fatigue Recovery and CBD

Adrenal Fatigue Recovery and CBD


Dr. Joel Rosen:  All right. Hello, everyone. Welcome back to another edition of your adrenal fix. I’m really excited for my next guest will branum because he’s got a great story. A lot of you guys that are listening that are exhausted and burnt out and are looking for solutions. I think this will be a really great intro to what Williams found and give you guys some new ideas on how to manage your own stress.


William is a former US Navy SEAL for 26 years of service. He’s the founder of NW recovery. At an early age William knew he wanted to be part of a team that would push him beyond the limits he thought he had and still enjoy the outdoors and all it had to offer. He charged for it and became an Eagle Scout and joined the Navy immediately after high school after graduating from SEAL training buds. class two to eight. He was stationed in Virginia Beach, Virginia, then San Diego, California and finally Oahu, Hawaii, where he served with multiple seals teams taught seal sniper school and deployed around the globe.


As with too many veterans, William suffered with numerous physical injuries and psychological symptoms that negatively impacted him as well being and his quality of life, migraines, severe anxiety, chronic pains, difficulty focusing difficulty with sleeping and falling asleep depression and some symptoms he would struggle with on a daily basis. He tried many prescription medications to help and eventually started to self medicate with alcohol to help with pain and sleep issues.


During his last few years of military service, William started hearing about the promising benefits of canal canal cannabinoids like CBD, ultimately he choose to wait until his retirement with from the military or from the military before exploring this new world of plant based medicine to help his physical and psychological recovery and determined to maintain his top secret security clearance after the military. He sought THC free options of CBD. I could probably go on and on. But I really want to get into talking to you, William. So first of all, thank you so much for your service. And thank you so much for being here today.


William Branum:  Yeah, for sure. So,



Dr. Joel Rosen:  yeah, no, I’m glad I’m excited. So listen, 26 years, and I’m sure you got lots of stories, you know, that you can tell the the modified version, the sort of the, what do we call it, the the cut the, the sate The, the okay to tell, you know, the non-restricted version, but what I want to do is I want to get into a little bit of what you talked about. So you mentioned you had some some major health issues, maybe let’s talk a little bit about that. And, and start with that.



William Branum:  So, um, I guess I’ll start with sleep. Um, my sleep sucks. It’s still I still suffer from some sleep problems. Um, you know, I’ve had three different sleep studies for sleep apnea, and the such, and you know, that not only are they looking for apnea, they’re looking at your, what your brain is doing, you know, I’ve got pictures where I have like, 30 different probes on my brain on my skull, and, and, you know, my breathing and all this other stuff. And what they found is, anytime I would hit REM sleep or deep sleep, almost as soon as I would hit that state, I would blow right out of it, and come back away.

So basically, my autonomic nervous system was completely out of whack, um, you know, I have trouble, you know, even just going to sleep, you know, have all these weird, bad thoughts in my head about whatever, nothing self-destructive, but, you know, unhealthy things in my life, whether it’s unhealthy relationships, or, you know, stuff that has happened, you know, in combat or in real life. Um, and, you know, I would use alcohol to really suppress that turn that, you know, kind of dole out those, those negative those things that were keeping me awake, and just so that I could go to sleep. Um, and so, yeah, in, you know, in, in addition to that, I’ve had, you know, I’m 100% disabled through the VA, which really means I’m 250%, disabled, you know, in VA math, um, and, you know, I have, you know, multiple surgeries, I have, you know, just overuse injuries I have, I’m confident I have a adrenal fatigue, and maybe that’s something we could talk about at a later time. Um, because for sure, I would like go and do something during the day and I’m completely wiped out. You know, I’ve overcome some of that. A lot of that, but there’s still some of that sort of hanging on out there. Um, but, you know, you know, you know, joint pains and surgeries and you know, a lot a lot of stuff going on with this with his body. 26 years is, you know, it’s a quarter. So it’s over a quarter century of, of, you know, going out there and doing some some, some good hard work.


Dr. Joel Rosen:  Yeah. Oh my goodness I that’s understatement and and, and one of the things I wanted to talk about when you mentioned the autonomic nervous system when you were just about to go into REM sleep, and it would just blow right out of it.


One of the things that I talked about with the truth about adrenal fatigue, because I suffered with my own version of adrenal fatigue, although not the same absolute amount of stressors and demands that you’ve had on your body, which is another level. Um, the main reality of the fact is, William that when your body loses its ability to maintain its homeostasis, that’s really what we have going on is your body is meant, like, if you cut your finger, it’s meant to repair. If it’s hot outside, it’s meant to cool down, if it’s cold, it’s meant to heat up. But over time, it’s not just the adrenals that get impacted. And that’s really the truth of what I try to teach is, it’s not just the adrenals that get impacted at the cellular level, your body loses the ability to maintain homeostasis. And as a result, in your case, you know, whether it’s not being able to fall asleep, or even not handling the stressors the same way, or are just being over, over sympathetic dominance. All of the above leads to to what you have, you know, what you’ve what you’ve experienced, but what I’m what I’m really interested to get into is your story in terms of CBD and and how you had to wait.

Probably didn’t necessarily need to knowing what you know, now, if you would have found the good quality stuff that that you you’ve found now, but talk about sort of how you discovered CBD, and then we can talk about the evolution of how it’s been helpful for you.


William Branum:  Sure. So CBD is I guess, in the last couple years, his is really blown up and become super popular and, and all the cool kids are doing it, and you can find it anywhere. Right. But you know, my first discovery of CBD or the first time I heard about it was about five years ago, I’m still in the military.


I’m driving to work listening to podcasts. And you know, this guy was talking about medical marijuana and you know, THC, but he was also like, you know, everyone knows about THC, but there’s this other molecule that is has been super beneficial and has all sorts of medicinal effects. Um, and, and it’s called CBD and it does this and that and, and, you know, it’s helped epilepsy, it’s helped people with chronic pain and chronic fatigue and chronic all these other things that was like, Oh, that’s very cool. Um, I’d like to like learn more about that and so but you know, because you know, as an active duty navy seal with a top secret security clearance I didn’t want to even mess with the plant at all. Um, and even knowing what I know now I still probably wouldn’t have especially what I know now because the quality of products that were available then are not not awesome.


So you know, so fast forward I even after I got out I still maintain my security clearance I was still you know, I grew up on the in the Nancy Reagan’s just say no war on drugs. So, um, I was still like, oh, maybe I shouldn’t and it’s kind of expensive and, um and I didn’t really know which products to try. No one was telling you No, it’s it’s everyone’s like mine is the best and whatever. And then I’ve done some research. And you know, the FDA has gone out and and done lots of testing on lots of companies and on their products, whether they go to like a gas station and buy some stuff that’s kind of like going by and gas station sushi, you run the risk of, you know, whatever. Or, you know, you know, buying it from a smoke shop or buying it from a you know, all these other places and they would test all of these, you know, CBD brands, and many of them didn’t have any CBD in them at all. Or they didn’t have the amount of CBD. They said they were high in THC because they were extracted from marijuana and not from the hemp plant. They had heavy metals, they had solvents, they have all this bad stuff in it. I’m not saying that THC is bad. I’m just saying like, it wasn’t a quality product that you want to necessarily put in your body. So And, and I’m going to get a little off track, but I’ll come back. So and the reason that you want to have a good quality product is if you’re taking something that’s medicinal, you don’t want to put poison in your body at the same time, so you’re probably better off not putting anything in your body, I think. Um, but so fast forward to June of 2019. Last year, I tried CBD for the first time I was going to a court for


William Branum:  Family Court, and which is one of the major stressors in my life. And, you know, kids are involved in all this other stuff. And, you know, I’ve finished with court. And, you know, I met a buddy for lunch, and we hung out for a little while. And then I said, I’m going to go see if I can find some CBD while we’re here. And, you know, while I’m here, and he’s like, Oh, you want CBD, I’ve got some bottles at home. So we went back to his house, he handed me a bottle. That night, I took the CBD, I slept pretty good. woke up the next morning, I was just a little less pissed off a little less, like stressed, it was not a lot, but like this, just say that I was like, in the red zone, like I’ve just live in this red, and I can’t break out of it, I can’t do anything to like, turn it off or have better good self talk. Or the next morning, I was like, it wasn’t read, I was like super bright orange. So it was just like a very small, measure better, very small, I could feel it. And then over time, it got you know, from like bright orange to orange to bright yellow, yellow. Occasionally, I hit the green. And so what happened during that time that I didn’t realize is, um, you know, I would still go on with my everyday life, I’d have better self self talk, my sleep seemed to be getting a lot better. Um, I was able to go to sleep a little bit easier, I still have to do work to get to sleep, but I didn’t have to depend as much on alcohol to kind of turn things off to like go to bed. Um, and some other kind of anecdotal things that happened, where I would go and like, reach for something. And I’m cringing because I know, this movement always hurts. And they’re like, oh, that pain is not there. It’s like so much, it’s like a dull pain, it’s not the sharp like, stab you in the heart kind of pain. Um, and then so that was over like a month of using CBD. And then I ran out and then, you know, things started coming back. And then I tried a different brand of CBD and I had some pretty good results.

So eventually, I’m like, there must be something to this. And I didn’t really put two and two together. You know, I didn’t necessarily have like, I took it and like, my pain is gone. It was like, over time, like, things were less it was just less bad. Which equals good. Right, the bank how bad it is. Um, and so so I started really digging into the CBD industry. And I found out there’s a lot of bad actors out there that are just there to make money. Um, and so I went and just started doing my research, finding suppliers, finding people who had, you know, looking for third party testing. And why third party testing is important is because the hemp plant is a bio accumulator, it pulls all the good stuff out of the soil, it pulls all the bad stuff out of the soil. And so it’s such a strong bio accumulator, they’re using hemp at Chernobyl to clean the radiation out of the soil, so they can someday come back and repopulate that area. So, so I found suppliers, you know, we make sure that all of our products are third party tested for heavy metals, pesticides, herbicides, is to make sure that we’re actually providing the correct amount of CBD in there, we’re, we make sure that we extract all traceable amounts of THC because that’s a huge concern for a lot of people. And and it was for me as well. Um, so. And then from there, I launched really starting January 1, my official launch of naked warrior recovery, CBD brand.


Dr. Joel Rosen:  Well, it’s a great story. I mean, as far as the we had talked earlier, getting prepared for this then and you told me a couple of things to in terms of like there’s, like you mentioned today in terms of, there’s good stuff on the market, there is not so good stuff on the market. But you know, initially one of the things that you said just now was let’s say we get the person the the military person or even just the the weekend warrior person And they’re stressed out and they’re overwhelmed and they’re in the red and they can’t take their foot off that sort of that ignition. You said you were looking at you did the research so maybe help the listener look in terms of besides making sure it’s good quality CBD and it’s not with with heavy metals, how are there other things they’re looking for in the product that would give them different effects like it would help with their pain, whereas something out may help with their anxiety? Are there specific things that they need to look for? So you could sort of jumpstart them past that learning curve?


William Branum: So be? So that’s, that’s a that’s a great question. And I get this question a lot. Um, what is it going to do for me? Or how much should I take or, or, you know, questions like that? And the honest, the honest answer is, it depends. And it’s the worst answer in the world, but it’s the most honest and truthful answer. It’s because CBD doesn’t directly affect pain or stress or anything like that. What CBD CBD does is it goes in and it affects the endocannabinoid system. So every mammal has what is called an endocannabinoid system. This is a giant neuro receptor that is attached to every other system in your body. It’s attached to your digestive system, your respiratory system, your circulatory system, your immune system, all the systems, your nervous system, it’s it’s connected to those systems in some way. And it was only recently discovered it’s brand new science.

You know, it was discovered in the 1960s in Israel, and then forgotten about a little bit and then rediscovered in the 1990s, when medical marijuana started becoming available, and the analogy that I use for the endocannabinoid system is just imagine it’s like this, this giant door that has 10,000 locks on it. And you naturally produce cannabinoids, an amide, and two ag are two cannabinoids that you naturally produce. There’s kind of the runner’s high that you feel really good after exercise, that’s an amide, like kind of feeding that your endocannabinoid system but it also an antibiotic also carries pain receptors as well feeds pain receptors. So what CBD does is it goes in, and sometimes your that that big door with all the locks, they kind of get, you know, rusted shut, and it gets kind of caddywhompus what CBD does, you know, it’s like the shape of the molecule goes in and it fits in those key holes. Uh, you know, just like keys and it helps bring your endocannabinoid system back into homeostasis, because it’s, which is a term you use just a few minutes ago, for the whole body, so that helps the body to start healing itself. You know, it brings things back into homeostasis.

So CBD isn’t like a panacea to like, cure everything, it’s a modality to help your body get back to where it needs to be. And, you know, for me, some people can take, you know, like my, I’ve gotten many reports back from people where they’re like, Oh, these 10 milligram CBD gummies, they put me right out, like all night, and it doesn’t work that way. For me, I take a higher dose, and I have to do work to go to sleep, like I have to have a good bedtime routine, and, you know, turn off, you know, iPads computer, do all this other stuff, and make sure that I’m tired and then I can like, go to bed and you know, I have to I have to have that good, good bedtime routine, where other people don’t. So it depends on you.

And then as far as the pain stuff, you know, it for me, it was just anecdotal. I didn’t expect to have that benefit. So I’ve had I have less joint pain, less migraines, less, less. I still get them. I’m not I’m not cured. But I’m, I’m, I have a much better quality of life after taking CBD, which is, you know, why I started the company to you know, one four to help myself but to to help other people create a quality product that’s easy to use. And, and and people can can use it and and can they can trust it. I mean, I trust it. I’m not gonna put crap in my body if I can help it.


Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, no, absolutely. I you know, we there’s things called they’re called adaptogenic and that’s how I would probably look at CBD were depending on it. You know, the old adage is if you have your adrenals are ramped up, you want adaptogenic herbs that are gonna lower that adrenal output whereas if you’re you they bit the farm and they’re not producing very much you want adaptogenic herbs. That will ultimately raise the levels. And a lot of the times those adaptogenic herbs are the same herbs, right, it just depends on who’s getting it and if they’re low in one area is that adaptogenic are gonna raise the level and vice versa, if you’re high in an area is that adaptogenic are gonna lower it.

Now, that’s a very big generalization with the people that I work with. But I think it’s kind of safe to give that analogy of the CBD in that regards with all the locks that are going on in the body with the endocannabinoid system. And that person’s unique environmental triggers, whether it’s stress from physical trauma, or exposures to chemicals, or toxins, or pathogenic infections, and their genetic susceptibilities. And this is, this is the work that I do, it might be interesting to put your chocolate with my peanut butter and say, Hey, people that have these kind of challenges, genetically and epigenetically may find that these are the range of improvements that they’re going to get.

So it’s not so much guesswork, per se, and then the people that have these kind of genetic susceptibilities and environmental triggers may get this impact be interesting to go down that that road. So the other the other thing I wanted to ask you was, you you have altruistic reasons as well because you know, with your colleagues, the stresses and strains physically, mentally, emotionally, that dedicating your your life, your mind, your body, your heart, your soul to the country, places on you. So tell us a little bit about sort of what what also the naked warrior company’s mission is to not just help people with the product, but with what you’re doing in terms of giving back.


William Branum:  So my, I, I’m really trying to focus on Veterans and first responders because the the suicide rate in the veteran community suicide kills more veterans per year than, you know, 13 years of combat. Um, and I’ve seen many people, you know, with this plant medicine, you know, come back around to like, have a better quality of life better, you know, self talk, there’s been some some very small research in how showing how CBD and some of the, the terpenes specifically pinene which is basically an essential oil that is that’s in the product helps to help us with neuroplasticity helps with



William Branum: Yeah, we’ll go with neuroplasticity because I’m getting the other the other word.



William Branum: But kind of some of that regeneration of the nerve and and has shown some promise with with TBI treatments, I’ve, you know, I’ve had many head injuries. I’m diagnosed with TBI and all sorts of other stuff. But, um, and then notice some some, just for me, and this is only anecdotal. But it’s, you know, some of my mental clarity has started to come back. Um, let’s see.

So I’m partnering with some some nonprofits that are really focused on helping veterans and first responders with with TBI and PTSD, or end to end events, even just for one that’s helping veterans transition from the military. And to you know, because really, in all honesty, I spent my entire adult life in the military. And I have no idea how to work in the in the civilian world. You know, and so that was really like, the hardest mission I ever had to go on was like, okay, your time is up, it’s time to like, go find your new path in life. And I was like, oh, wow, I have no idea what I’m doing. So there were some organizations that really helped me out. So I want to give back to them because they helped me and I also want to give back to give to organizations, you know, these veterans and first responders, they’re serving us right now. So I want to help I wanna serve them now. You know, and throughout this as long as I possibly can.



Dr. Joel Rosen:  Yeah, no, that’s so great. I think that there’s always a win win mentality of when you’re doing it for the right reasons, and you’re giving back and it’s almost a triple win because what you’re developing is is helping people physiologically and mentally with the product to so as far as it stands now, William, our active duty, serving military. Are they allowed to do CBD now? Is it recommended that they don’t?



William Branum:  I, I think it’s recommended that they don’t, um, simply because so I, again, I still maintain my my top secret clearance I do I still do some work for the government. Um, and I am drug testing. I have not shown any signs of, you know, any illegal substance in my body. And I do monthly tests that I pay for on my own just to make sure that I’m still good to go. But I can’t, I can’t legally say that you won’t you want, you know, positive because it depends from the research that I’ve done, it depends what testing the organization is doing. If they’re doing something that just looks for how your body reacts to, I can add cannabinoid, then you will probably show positive signs. I’m testing for THC, and you know, the other other, they’re generally looking for narcotics, but I would say if you’re concerned in your occupation, and you have chronic pain, there’s topicals that you can use that can help significantly with some of that pain. But if you you know, if you have concerns, you can try it and you know, your own your own sort of drug testing, is I paid $80 a month just to go and like have it done and just so I have my own peace of mind, but I can’t, I can’t say you know, you won’t, you won’t pop positive,



Dr. Joel Rosen:  right. Is that because the just the I mean, I feel like like you said we’re at that like it’s a brand new science it’s it’s a brand new industry, it’s at the tip of evolution, it’s going it’s exploding and with that there’s a lot of question marks I guess is there it is there even with your I mean you’re using your own brand I’m guessing by yourself right so with your own brand and you’re doing your own private testing you’re you’re you’re not pop you’re not positive on THC, but you’re saying with different testing criterias and and the different product lines that people may be taking with the industry’s not having a standardization of the actual product what’s in it, what they say is in it and all the other junk that may be with it and all the other stuff that that person may be doing. There’s no certainty in terms of if How about in terms of your your product, if they’re just taking your product would there be some concern with and they did your test as well? Is that going to be consistent across the board?



William Branum: So the testing that that I do that I go in, you know, I go to a lab just like you would for you know, any job that you’re applying for I go to the exact same lab and I request a TC test, you know, test me for TC and so that’s that those are the tests that they run. Um I don’t know I’ve heard of other tests that they that are out there that where they could test for cannabis. So in there you would probably show a positive result. But if they tested for THC, if there’s THC in your in your body, they’re not going to you’re not going to find THC in my body. And that’s sort of another kind of, you know, people have questions about CBD, and I was talking to someone a couple days ago about this. And he’s like, what is THC like what like I just think it’s like a different kind of, I’m sorry, what is CBD? I feel like it’s just another you know, THC, something where you’re getting high and it’s like a more legalized version of that. You get zero high from CBD. It’s actually the antithesis of THC. So for example, if you the way that the the molecules work in the body with the CB one and CBD, two receptors, your can Endocannabinoid receptors. So TC goes in and it connects to your your Endocannabinoid endocannabinoid system and it looks like you know and it affects your your mental state of mind that euphoria that that high that you get CBD actually goes in and it blocks those receptors and if you’re having let’s just say you’re having like a really bad THC high see if you take CBD, it’ll bring you back down off that high because we will go in and and block the TC from connecting to those receptors.



Dr. Joel Rosen: Right right. Gotcha. So as far as the THC component goes, because that’s a lot of times what the person Senate’s concerned about testing for and and, and being positive with the CBD from naked warrior as long and the ones that your company you haven’t been testing over the THC limits whether it purchased THC but if you were to test for cannabinoid or cannabis that might be different is basically what we’re saying



William Branum:  It could be different


Dr. Joel Rosen:  Right.


William Branum:  Because we still leave the terpenes and all that the other minor cannabinoids because you know CBD and THC are only two of the hundred and 20 plus Canis minor cannabinoids that are in the cannabis plant. Um so there’s lots of other stuff that that is in there in the product in the in the the process of extracting the CBD and other minor cannabinoids, you’re losing some of that good stuff. But But we maintain you know as many of the minor cannabinoids minus THC as we can to sort of help with this. This sort of synergistic effect that you get for whole body healing because your body needs more than just one or two molecules it needs lots of good right to keep everything going.



Dr. Joel Rosen: Synergy of all the cannabinoids right my tea. So as far as you’re saying, like the different dosing goes and I really do not know the the dosing you said that your buddy, you know, said he did 10 milligrams and he fell asleep and then with you, you would need to be more and more active. What are the dosing concentrations? Like especially with your product, what do you what are we looking at here? What are they? What do they range from?



William Branum:  So I have everything from like a 10 milligram gummy, and originally I was gonna do gummies but I’m like, I take gummy multivitamins, why wouldn’t I take and they actually tastes pretty good. Um, um, you know, 10 milligram gummies to my tincture is 45 milligrams per dropper. So and the way you would take that is you, you know, you take a dropper, you can, you know, shake it up to make sure that you know, it’s not just CBD in the bottle, it’s also MCT oil, because that’s a carrier to help your body absorb the CBD a little bit better. But you know, shake it up, take a dropper, put it in your mouth, and I recommend swishing it around in your mouth for about 60 seconds.

Because what happens, a lot of companies say put it on your tongue and let it absorb that way sublingually Well, you have this whole gigantic mucous membrane in your mouth, and it’s going to absorb, you know, more, more of the CBD that way than just like putting it under your tongue or putting in your mouth and swallowing it. So that’s, you know, the way the best way to get the highest absorption rate of CBD. So, so those are kind of my two extremes. And then in the middle, I have some soft gels and eat soft gel the advantage of soft gels are are one you know exactly how much CBD you’re taking in. And two we use and nano emulsion technology. It’s It was developed by the pharmaceutical industry. And basically what it does is it makes our droplets of CBD oil. Very, very small to to increase cellular absorption because your body is mostly water, water and oil don’t mix that well. So we try to make we make the oil droplets as small as possible. So you have greater cellular absorption.


Dr. Joel Rosen:  So you have and what’s the concentration of those? Those caps of those ones?


William Branum:  25 milligrams

Dr. Joel Rosen:  25. So you got the 10 which are the gummies then 25, which are the gels and then the 45, which are the droppers correct. Wow, Jen, if someone were I mean, I’ve tried it before. And I told you this when we were first talking some I don’t notice anything. And some I can notice Oh, yeah, like I can notice it that was working. So with that that would have been based on the quality and the concentration or, you know, tell me a little bit about that. Like, if I’m just starting, what would I just start with the 10 and see how it goes or how would you recommend that?


William Branum: I would so the rule of thumb is to start at a lower dose. You can even do it with the dropper at a lower dose of the dropper. So you can take a quarter dropper or a half a dropper or a full dropper. It’s completely up to you that one of the good parts about the dropper is you can kind of measure out but it is you know, again mixed with MCT oil so that’s why it’s important to shake it out. But you know you can start off with a half a dropper that’s a good starting point or even just the two milligram gummies they’re, you know, they’re not super expensive. Easy to get in. They taste good. And and yeah, so and and you know exactly how much CBD you’re taking into your body. Right, but I caution you see the gummies are really tasty and it’s hard to only eat just one.



Dr. Joel Rosen:  Yeah. Okay, and then as far as if someone did take Alize that’s just gonna make them. I mean, they’re not getting the THC, overwhelming high. So does that make them tired? Or how does that? How does that


William Branum:  know? So it’s it’s interesting CBD is it’s

Do you do much with red light therapy via modulation? Or is that is that the right word. Um, so it’s like a saturation


Dr. Joel Rosen: Point or something like that?


William Branum: Well, no, it’s more like. So you can use red lights in the morning. Or if you’re an ICA in sort of the Pacific Northwest where it’s, you know, overcast and cloudy, you have short spans of daylight, when you get up you, your body needs sort of that, you know, that vitamin that that energy from the sun. So, I guess science has shown that if you use red lights, and a certain wavelength in the morning that helps your mitochondria sort of kick in and get going even though the sun’s not quite up yet. Or that says they’re going to be up for a couple more hours. And you can also use it at night to sort of wind down your body knows what it needs, it’s like circadian rhythm.

So right. And so you use it, you know, the red light to wake up, but you also use it to go to sleep, you can use CBD the same way CBD your body knows what it needs to do. And so it basically it’s a supplement. So you can use CBD in the morning, you can put in your coffee, you can take it with your coffee, you can do it, you know, before a workout. And, and I’ve gotten several people say, I feel like I’ve gotten a little bit of an energy boost from this. And that kind of makes sense. Um, because again, it’s not like a it’s not like a sleep aid or an energy it’s it’s it’s supplementing your your endocannabinoid system to what your body is needing at the time. So you can take one or two or six gummies, you’re going to be fine. And potentially get more little little boost or in the evening, you know, maybe it’ll slow you down to where you need to be. So that you can, can get the sleep that you need and the quality of sleep. And that’s what I noticed really in me measuring my sleep, I’m able to get higher, a higher amount of time of REM and deep sleep, you know, that sort of recovery time? Where before, you know,


Dr. Joel Rosen: are you measuring that with that? How are you measuring,


William Branum:  I’m measuring it with a polar polar ignite, I’m going to switch over to a whoop soon. It’s just like pulling the trigger and doing it. I don’t want to wear to two devices on my arm, but I’m just gonna do it.



Dr. Joel Rosen: Right. No, that’s great. I talk a lot about that, actually. And so it’s great that we’re getting into that in terms of, you know, I think it kind of comes back to us talking about that overwhelmed sympathetic fight or flight autonomic nervous system, you know, kicking in and not soft falling asleep. I think that you’ve you’re seeing healing there. Right. And and you’re you’re actually biohacking that. The other thing you mentioned, I wanted to talk about to just briefly if you have some time, is you mentioned the self talk. And you notice that as a, you know, as a result of doing the CBD that started to get better. Do you do you tribute that to the benefits of CBD as well?



William Branum: Yeah, I think so. I’m kind of what I was talking about in the beginning was, you know, I was like, in this like, Red Zone, it’s like, I can’t, I can’t escape it. And then when when I’m in there, like, it’s just like anger and just pissed off sadness, I don’t have a better word for it. And it’s just, it would just become less, and I would have less of that anger. And like, I just want to whatever, I can’t believe so and so, whatever. And just like it just gets stuck in this loop of the negative, negative Nancy, and, you know, over time, it’s become less and less, I still have it occasionally I still get angry. Um, it’s just so much less and I don’t have to depend on you know, in the evenings alcohol to like, blur it out and dull it and like, help me to help me to not not get stuck.



Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah, no, it’s great because it’s, it’s, you know, it’s a natural occurring substance in the in nature, and we have these receptors that are met and I’ve always said not only do people have challenges with maintaining homeostasis They’ve become disconnected from nature. You know, at the end of the day, there’s that, you know, we have these receptors that are looking for things to bind to it. And those things that bind to it are plant based, frequency based, you know, holistic based stuff, that that’s so great for, especially someone like yourself, who’s put a lot of wear and tear in terms of stress on the pedometer on the stress pedometer, and is now coming out of it with, with an amazing record, still, probably some ways to go. But you know, this is a journey for you. So that’s great. So as far as tell us a little bit about how we find out about your company, and if we’re interested in ordering the gummies or the or the or the capsule, or the gels or the or the droppers, how do they go about doing that?


William Branum: So my, my website is NW dash It stands for naked warrior recovery, but I didn’t think people would have to put naked in their search engine. You can if you right into naked warrior recovery all one word that will also go to my, to my website, and I have a discount code is it’ll be 20%. And the the code will be Dr. Joel, all one word.

Dr. Joel Rosen:  Dr. Joel? Dr. Dr. Joel?

William Branum: Yeah, okay. And so so your listeners and followers can go there and and, and try it out. And say I had

Dr. Joel Rosen:  to put you in a headlock you had hair before?


Dr. Joel Rosen: We did that. Oh, that’s awesome. That’s really great. I appreciate you being here and telling us the story. And then just one last question. I always like to ask my, my, my interviewers, this is knowing what you know, now, instead of what you would have known then what would you have told your old self or your young self? differently so that you wouldn’t have had the same amount of stressors besides CBD? What would you have? You know, what would have been a lesson you would have told yourself earlier?


William Branum:  Hmm, that’s a good question. Um, I think this is really goes into, like, a whole different conversation. But I think, um, I think probably, if you, if it smells bad, it probably is bad, and get out.


Dr. Joel Rosen: Right? You would, but they you learn don’t you learn that in the training? Or you’re talking just more like, yeah,


William Branum: some of it is, you know, I’m, I’m not a quitter. You know, don’t quit, never quit, etc. Um, but there’s times that you should there’s like, you know, if it’s unhealthy for you, you know, you should quit drinking, usually quit smoking, you should quit, whatever. But if you become so emotionally involved in something, that there’s a time to get out, you know, those, those are things that will Don’t wait until it’s like, till so that situation, or those situations, or whatever they are, are really killing you from the inside out.



Dr. Joel Rosen: Right. Right. It’s a good thing. I mean, relationships, job, you know, right. Family careers. So many examples.


William Branum:  Yeah.


Dr. Joel Rosen: Wait,


William Branum: and I happen to have many examples. I don’t have just one of many that so.


Dr. Joel Rosen:  Right. Right. Yeah. It’s kind of like a double-edged sword, right? I mean, what makes you strong also makes you more susceptible to if you if you’re not gonna pull that cord in time, you’re not gonna have enough time to clear right, I guess, is


Basically what you’re saying.


William Branum:  I mean, stress is a good thing. Stress, like makes you stronger, but too much stress will kill you.



Dr. Joel Rosen: Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And that’s what we teach here, too. And it’s also your perception too, right. In terms of understanding you have control. You’re not a victim, you take ownership. And you you get out well, you still can you know, while you don’t don’t tough, tough. Oh, those are great, great advice. Great word. So all right. So this is NW recovery or naked warrior And they can also go and put in a 20% discount code for Dr. Joel. And yeah, and I really appreciate you being here today. William, thank you again, for all the service you’ve done and, and also the new path. I wish you all the best success and in in, you know, starting your new career and and helping people in more ways than one. So thank you so much for being here today.


William Branum:  Awesome. Thank you very much.


Dr. Joel Rosen: Awesome. We’ll talk to you later. Yeah, talk to you.


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